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what is going on guys welcome back to
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another session of blue break and fix
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you should have planned it yeah
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getting back to that brought to you by
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first thing is first
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as to the acknowledgement of the country
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and pay our respects to the elders of
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the past present and future
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i begin today by acknowledging the
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traditional custodians of the land on
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which we gather today and pay my
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respects to the elders past present and
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future i extend their respect to
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aboriginal and torres strait islander
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that wasn't you done it isn't it
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yeah that was good
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all right perfect so
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i guess you can choose a letter
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today because it's your birthday
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nice i didn't know
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what'd you get me for my birthday an
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reason that it was done today
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uh let's go with the letter
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oh okay i was a bit too slow
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say that if you just play and
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let me guess which one is it
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have we done night driving
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yeah okay i think so
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you gotta go with that one
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let me know it makes you feel sleepy
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why would you play this while you're
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driving you're gonna fall asleep at the
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wheel exactly my point
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especially at night
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sleeping is even more tempting then
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yeah this is dangerous music
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anyway um yeah good to be back um
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those of you who are expecting us to
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in the last few days do apologize um so
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uh i was busy with my work and um
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tori had his commitments as well so we
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weren't it was a continue but we are
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back now in action
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right so tori uh because we uh we don't
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scrambler enhanced version up and do the
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um websocket thing
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however if we just focus on sanitizing
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sounds great yeah that's that seems to
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be the biggest block at the moment
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yeah yeah because um
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once this sanitizer is done then even if
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we put it online um
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get the xss attacks
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yeah this outrageous audience
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which is i'm very surprised on none at
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but who knows who knows yeah you never
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know they could be lurking yeah
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yeah waiting for waiting for the
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opportunity opportunists
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and they've got to attack now
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uh yeah so do you want to share your
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hey actually why do we want to put this
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senate sanitize it in the back end
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because the xss attacks are being
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done in the front end in the browser
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that is true but the browser is
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i wouldn't say always but the browser is
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is insecure because the browser
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the client side is
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we sanitize it basically in this way
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that whenever you use user as any html
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tags or even script tags
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that's not taking taken as inner
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html they're just taken as text
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i actually i haven't either so it's good
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learning opportunity but i think
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i think the vulnerabilities
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xss attack are actually in inside of the
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we could we could but
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we could go in and try to fix it but if
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it's it's actually easier because
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we know the points at which the
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where it's coming and where
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um where we need to sanitize it so we
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sanitize any of the
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the requests that are sent to the
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the back end like on on and then when we
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when we receive a request on the back
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end from the user we just sanitize it
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and and that way it's just more
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more scalable it's it's easier to just
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those surfaces are
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that we need to cover
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and also it's it's more secure because
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a malicious user can't go into our back
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and circumvent the code
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because the cut is open source
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so anyone can just go
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alter the code itself
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alt alter well you would have to accept
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a like a pull request or something to
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have them alter it
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yes but the point that i'm trying to
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make that the code can be changeable
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not really as in what we're trying to do
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talking about that if we put this
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so see the axis's attack is happening on
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the front end through the
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create a note in the browser and then
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the script tag and do what you want to
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in javascript on the note itself then it
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because it's done in in a html so the
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the the browser is convert
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taking that input and then doing it with
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what the input has asked the browser to
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um uh yeah yeah and they're right um
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yeah you're you're right um
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maybe if i maybe if i draw a little
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let's do that and i'll let you
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your screen um to the i don't need your
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permission anymore
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exactly my point because
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gonna say you do whatever you need to do
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you'll unleash now
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for better or worse
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yeah all right i just wanted to
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why is it connecting me to github
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oh boy i just want draw
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that's fine uh white
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yeah what's what's going on
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hey convo 64 welcome okay you know what
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my board that's a really cute girl there
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all right i don't know if this is free
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i just want to draw you a little diagram
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like it's gonna be terrible though
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because i'm probably gonna have to use
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come on level whiteboard what's going on
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i was trying to and then for some reason
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connecting to my github
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go back i it doesn't have to connect to
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guide you to that it's pretty easy it's
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all done in the browser
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i think it's diagrams this yeah this is
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it now this one no no they changed the
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name it's diagrams.net now
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create new diagrams
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if you want to click on the
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you can also do that
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all right yeah this is something
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you know we have we have our client
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and then is that big enough for you
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yeah yeah all right and then let's just
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he's a bad he's a bad man
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or a lady a bad lady
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um so so that's our client
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we have our our back end here right
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uh well actually we have we have two we
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have two different parts of the back end
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so let me hold up there
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i'll just use the squares
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all right so we have the
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uh we have the websocket
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so that's the one that um
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receipt would be easier if we just go
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with a really really high
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high level without
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going into any detail or is this um how
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show me the concept that you're talking
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well i don't know i was hoping that this
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this would make sense
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okay but if it if i hope it's not a
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try no no there's nothing called a waste
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of the base of time mate
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and then we have hey
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another get that i was gonna like just
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have a ball with this
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okay i know him too well
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this is um we have we have the aws in
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between here right
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when you when you send
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a message to the websocket lambda right
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so you send it you send that message and
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that message is then broadcast who to
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whoever else is connected to the board
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so what's going on here is somebody's
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and then when that same script tag
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then it's being executed on this
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so the easiest way
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is here inside the lambda on the back
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we take that script tag and then
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we just erase it like with the
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instead of inside of the client having
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to sanitize like different
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different surfaces let's say like points
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or vulnerabilities then
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all we have to do is just sanitize it
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here before it gets sent out to the
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i see where you're coming from
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this would just be turned into a string
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here like on the other side basically
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yeah yeah that's that's right it's good
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that you brought in the um
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websocket part because that's the one i
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think that i missed out when i was
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just have that concept done in the front
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end because it's all happening in the
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browser but when you brought out the
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websocket actually makes
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the messages are actually being
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broadcasted to other
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going via the websocket and websocket is
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it would make more sense um if we
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actually sanitize it
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on the server side yep yep and that and
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and that way it's secure because
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unless unless there's a vulnerability
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um in the in the library that we choose
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to use for sanitizing
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yeah yeah absolutely
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in the back end and thanks for bringing
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out the websocket um because to be
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forgot about that concept
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sure and actually i
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don't know what happens with
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uh i don't know uh
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the back end for the express app and
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saving the notes to dynamodb but that
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could be another potential vulnerability
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because if dynamodb is also
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so say somebody writes a note that's
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like a script tag and then that gets
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saved to the database
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then when somebody loads the board
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they would receive that script tag even
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though it was supposed to be a note or
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some text or something else right
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so that's that's another potential
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vulnerability but i don't know if dynamo
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db itself has some
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um you know escapes
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these like script tag characters i don't
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know enough about like
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dynamodb and those sort of
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but another thing we
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want to look at at some point
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yes and we will definitely look at that
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one but i think for starters
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let's just go step by step and um
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do the part with the script tag um
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i guess sanitizes and is it becomes all
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first step and then we can come back to
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other parts where we need to look up for
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dynamodb and so on and so forth
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sounds good all right so
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um i'll close this now yeah yeah cool
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uh i promise you know i have explained
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to zayn well what our website is yet
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ah okay i can't yeah
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i get it i get it actually yeah
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i was hoping you could explain
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meanwhile websites because to be honest
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after interviewing people i still don't
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so this is the uh the default lambda
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uh the default lambda right yeah
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um did you get my branch by the way
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i think i'm cr up possibly i haven't
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pushed anything because there was
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on anyway he ignore that
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so dev is the latest
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oh uh dev are you on dev at the moment
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yeah uh yeah i'm on dub
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there must be the latest
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okay yeah we'll make we'll make a new
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yeah uh sanitizing
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raw coders we are planning to bring on
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one person but let's see how that goes
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and it's also from the uk so really
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looking forward to as in meeting him and
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getting to know him a bit
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yeah yeah let's hope let's hope he can
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he just got like yeah he just he just
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got a new job so i'm not sure how much
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time he gonna have
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yeah yeah maybe maybe he'll get maybe
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he'll get fired though and then he'll be
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do we need this so
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are we using any library
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oh um at the moment
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i don't think we have decided on one
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there's nothing in here
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okay that's fine yeah because um i was
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working on that last night um a bit when
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after finishing work
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okay yeah but i i didn't really get
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there is one library for sanitizing
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which school which is a really
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apparently popular one
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okay yeah that was one i looked at and
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it looked pretty easy
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and not the code yeah get the text so to
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avoid the exercise attacks
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you know him very well
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how come it didn't take me to the
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did i not spell it right
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let's have let's build it right
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what's going on oh there's f1
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yeah uh yeah sorry go ahead same so i
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think um from my research all we
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basically need to do is import it
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sanitized method to
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you pass in the text in
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to this sanitize method and then we are
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and then we can basically
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um and this this does work
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yes apparently because it's in it's it's
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a known library so
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oh yeah it does here uh 14.
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i don't know why i'm hungry
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um finesse is doing if you've spoken to
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he's very happy as in spending time with
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i am really spoken to embrace in the
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bible as in kind of touch base with him
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i think we might even catch up this
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um wow it's been a while
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do we need to initialize a
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package.json for this default lambda now
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since we're using a
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but that one should be in the main
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project is it in not the
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uh not the folder itself
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but see how this scrumbler api is the
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like it has its own package dot json i
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think sam will yell at me
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well we'll see what happens
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once you basically just install
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let's require it and then you
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use it and then see
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what it does or even yells else
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uh will the streaming
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be ready for deaf coming next week um
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i don't think so at this thing get there
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we still have a few more things
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to do but hopefully um
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not this week sorry this month
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so we have this message
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it's been a while since i looked at this
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with this api gateway posted connection
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that's part of the api gateway
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which is an object
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all we basically would
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all might need to do is just sanitize
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as soon as it comes in there
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it's just reading the comments
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oh is dev cop gonna use this
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that's very gonna do our protest
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idea of this was originated from is
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i haven't gone in forever because it's
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so early for me but yeah me neither
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i don't know it's been a few months down
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yeah oh they they did used to use they
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used to use this or they still use it
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i don't think so let's still use it
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are they used yeah i think last time i
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was there which was
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sadly probably a year ago they were
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so you know where it's
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no it's back i saw i don't know it was
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spinning on my screen
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sanitize the message before
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this method is executed
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because this is this is when
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um through api gateway
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so what that basically you wanted to and
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saying that take and can you remove the
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cursor because i can't read the oh my
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um so that is saying basically it's an s
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so what is basically trying to do is
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uh post the connection to each of the
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sorry zoomed in too much
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response is a bit delayed yeah
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what you said is is right yeah
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so what we can basically do is
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when it starts to map
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add another line before the posting
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connection to sanitize the message
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you know where it says message
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yeah uh it's it's it's going well
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thanks actually um
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it's it's a lot of work but um
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some of some of the interviews i've had
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have actually been quite enjoyable and
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i've even interviewed in australia
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the market is really hot at the moment i
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would say across the world
0:33:37
as in everyone is just on it
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yeah it seems like it
0:33:50
any um i've done like this i just
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started this week so i i'm still on like
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all the phone screens
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i i don't i think there's two like in
0:34:05
consideration well actually no one now
0:34:08
because today they got back to me and
0:34:10
they said they wouldn't move forward
0:34:16
salary expectation was a little bit more
0:34:19
than what they were looking for
0:34:26
i mean they've they've never really got
0:34:31
i like them i like what they were
0:34:36
doing it seemed like a great place
0:34:41
but uh yeah i got i think i have like
0:34:45
two or three more interviews tomorrow
0:34:50
at least one on saturday
0:34:54
it'll be there afternoon so
0:34:57
i think i have more next week already
0:34:59
it's i can't i can't even keep track to
0:35:08
uh the one thing zayn is that this
0:35:11
message object is like
0:35:14
it's it's so it's an object
0:35:19
i don't know how this dom purify
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works but i'm assuming this
0:35:28
would sanitize like a strain
0:35:36
so if you go to the method of it
0:35:39
and then just basically control find
0:35:42
sanitize then it will basically tell you
0:35:45
what it says but yeah you must be
0:35:51
oh that's that's annoying i mean it
0:35:54
makes sense but now we have to figure
0:35:56
out what's a string
0:35:59
on the on the message object
0:36:06
i guess actually i guess any
0:36:09
anything on the message object
0:36:12
has to be sanitized
0:36:14
because they can use any anything
0:36:15
hanging on it to just
0:36:18
exactly put some nasty code in there
0:36:28
are these paid rolls
0:36:37
the boards aren't going to pay me
0:36:41
pull me i would be nice is there a
0:36:45
am i getting left out of something
0:36:50
at the moment to be honest everything is
0:36:53
going to aws even my point is going to
0:37:12
yeah but i really wish that
0:37:15
there's some sponsor out there who's
0:37:21
they're happy to sponsor us something
0:37:28
um okay cool so as sanitized it takes in
0:37:38
i think they just mean like a dirty a
0:37:44
how about if you just try out and um see
0:37:47
what happens as in if if you want to
0:37:55
message comes up as
0:38:03
uh messages is already logged in
0:38:05
cloudwatch it looks like
0:38:09
so if you if you want we can go to
0:38:16
yeah let's do that
0:38:26
all right where'd you go
0:38:47
i need to authenticate
0:39:09
interesting i don't even know that
0:39:15
it must be because it's been advertised
0:39:19
oh i gotta log into my password manager
0:39:26
aws is taking over the world
0:39:32
it is and actually having um
0:39:36
at least a a basic understanding of some
0:39:44
you know on aws has been
0:39:52
couldn't agree more
0:40:21
how's how's work going zayn how's
0:40:40
nowadays on the stream which i really
0:40:46
um but yeah work is
0:40:48
doing really good people
0:41:02
really promising so i'm really happy
0:41:06
good man that's great
0:41:10
thanks man thanks for
0:41:14
yeah you're just sitting back coasting
0:41:18
now you're just sitting back coasting
0:41:21
not really putting an extra work anymore
0:41:34
but yeah it's been a really good editing
0:41:41
we're just i always have to be in this
0:41:51
the morning but hey
0:41:53
things have to be done right
0:42:04
i like i said don't say publicly don't
0:42:15
uh i won't know i think i'll have to
0:42:17
look at the lambda and track down the
0:42:23
looks like they updated the
0:42:35
when i stream it just
0:42:40
like this part like it just takes
0:42:43
forever it's not this slow on my
0:42:49
it was the it was a music apparently
0:42:58
um so we have the default function
0:43:03
hopefully there's some logs in there
0:43:16
yeah it looks like it looks like it was
0:43:29
and the issues are
0:43:34
the issues are very important to be done
0:43:37
as soon as possible
0:43:39
that was the reason why i just focus on
0:43:42
getting things done
0:43:45
leaving it until the next morning
0:43:49
and as in there were
0:43:51
urgent issues as well so
0:44:01
are you going somewhere
0:44:03
soon zayn are you taking a
0:44:05
taking a trip somewhere
0:44:08
yeah i'm actually planning to go back to
0:44:11
the uk to visit my parents and then
0:44:16
yeah because especially when i can work
0:44:20
from there as well in the london office
0:44:27
so i can basically take the weekend
0:44:34
not even basically take any of the
0:44:39
go there and start working and then
0:44:43
spend evenings and weekends with the
0:44:47
oh that sounds nice
0:44:52
is my job in the uk um so i do work
0:44:56
remotely but they have
0:45:00
most of the team is actually based
0:45:02
in the uk which is
0:45:05
which explains the late working hours
0:45:20
saying that but i do work from
0:45:24
australia but they have branches in
0:45:28
australia new zealand uk
0:45:37
i think not paris france i would say
0:45:41
or although paris is in france
0:45:45
how big is your how big is the team in
0:45:56
the oh so it's just it's just you and
0:46:08
as in in australia it's just me by
0:46:13
yeah wow so one person is in new zealand
0:46:25
in which i work in is based in the uk
0:46:28
but they have as in
0:46:32
company-wise teams uh in melbourne
0:46:35
though as well and in fact
0:46:47
see how that goes right
0:46:58
if we look at the code
0:47:08
the the handler right so we get the
0:47:11
the event has the the the body
0:47:17
yeah and we have a message and a board
0:47:20
id so really what we need to sanitize is
0:47:38
so where is the act so that's all the
0:47:41
message so all we only basically need
0:47:56
that's it i hate i have such a hard time
0:47:59
reading it like that
0:48:07
yeah i know you're feeding it is a bit
0:48:09
hard to read as well
0:48:29
oh there's an error
0:48:59
will those work for for stringified
0:49:07
wealth of a check i would say
0:49:12
i wouldn't i would suppose they would
0:49:23
i mean we could just go look at the
0:49:24
front end code but i don't have the
0:49:36
this one doesn't have a lot of options
0:49:40
so uh i think you would be messaged or
0:49:51
uh yeah this is what i basically
0:49:58
passing around alignment body
0:50:10
so it's expecting another one
0:50:14
another curly brace is there
0:50:27
i'm missing something silly but i don't
0:50:33
how about if you format it first
0:50:37
would that be a bit easier
0:50:56
so it works but it doesn't um
0:51:00
it doesn't it doesn't parse it
0:51:04
okay so what we basically need is
0:51:10
so you would be event
0:51:24
sorry my bad is event body message
0:51:34
now i i think we have to
0:51:38
not only sanitize the text i think we
0:51:40
have to sanitize all of these
0:51:43
potentially or at least some of them
0:51:53
all the inputs on data
0:51:55
i don't think the action matters but i
0:51:58
think some of these may end up on the
0:52:02
um like being being written to the dom
0:52:16
i mean yeah maybe you're right maybe
0:52:18
it's only the text but
0:52:21
if we were saving these
0:52:23
i mean i don't know maybe it's just
0:52:26
maybe the text is fine
0:52:28
but yeah like there could be find
0:52:42
right here right now
0:52:44
we'll just basically code it and then we
0:52:47
can take the testing offline
0:52:50
okay so we have message
0:53:17
that's that's an object right data is
0:53:19
just an object it's not a stringified
0:53:31
so the entire message is stringified
0:53:43
uh so there's some so message so
0:53:47
so message is stringified so we have to
0:54:02
santa prize message
0:54:21
just do anything at the moment trust me
0:54:37
that's weird i keep i think my keyboard
0:54:57
i think it's my i think it's like sticky
0:55:01
ah yeah that might be
0:55:08
from here we'll have
0:55:42
and we want to call that dom purify
0:55:44
method on this right
0:55:55
and don't purify sanitize
0:56:12
i can also sanitize a node okay
0:56:18
and then there's some config but do we
0:56:20
need like the options here we might not
0:56:26
yeah i don't think so we need any
0:56:32
cool all right yeah
0:56:55
we'll just replace that with the clean
0:57:02
and now that should modify message dot
0:57:14
where's my type script
0:57:24
so then this message
0:57:31
we don't need to parse it because here
0:57:33
we're stringifying it again
0:57:41
if i actually take a look at the code
0:57:48
oh it's a oh it is a string
0:57:58
looks like it is i guess i don't know if
0:58:01
it wasn't an object
0:58:07
or i just put this here like it was a
0:58:11
i i think i wrote this that's not me
0:58:14
i saw my name there
0:58:18
i think this might
0:58:21
you be changed your name say just
0:58:24
five seconds ago right
0:58:27
it's a different tory little field
0:58:30
who also happens to work on this project
0:58:39
yeah hopefully that that parse doesn't
0:58:45
basically basically have to test it um
0:58:48
there's no basically other way that we
0:58:52
say that okay this is it or this is not
0:59:01
would be it but we can't really say on
0:59:05
to anything else until we test it
0:59:09
okay now if we do need to
0:59:13
oh it's loud here tonight with crickets
0:59:21
have to parse it then i suppose we
0:59:24
also have to stringify it after we've
0:59:27
changed the text we've cleaned the text
0:59:30
sanitize the text and then all we have
0:59:37
that message we are previously passing
0:59:41
and just pass in the
1:00:01
i just renamed it um there you go
1:00:06
yeah that looks a lot better now
1:00:13
yeah let's just call it a night here um
1:00:16
hopefully it will as in work as we
1:00:22
we'll do some testing offline and see if
1:00:27
sure and i'll push this up
1:00:41
hopefully that helps
1:00:51
absolutely man and i think that this is
1:00:54
the up that is preventing us from moving
1:01:00
when we test it it works
1:01:05
thanks for joining guys um being a
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pleasure having you all as always
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and um yeah if you want to check out how
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feel free to join us tomorrow
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thanks everyone have
