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what is going on guys welcome back to
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another session of build breaking face
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brought to you by the raw coders yes
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i'm pretty sure you have been wondering
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as in where are as
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other rule coder which is kartik so he's
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got a bit of an event going on so he's
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gonna be there and i'm not entirely sure
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he's gonna make it but he he told me
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that there's hot there's a highly chance
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of him not making it today so i'm just
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that he won't be making it um
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but that that although we miss him but
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keep on going so if you were here with
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us today's um today uh yes
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today as well then
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what we did was we were working on on a
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task which was to do with as in storing
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unique boards in the data space which we
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are using as dynamodb
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and we initially for that okay we can
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store it in a cache when the index uh
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when our homepage loads up
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we came to a conclusion that it will be
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stateless as in our experts have will be
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stateless and we should probably ask why
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and that would be because of its uh
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surplus so it's running on lambda
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that option went out of the window but
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thought about using dynamodb cache which
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which is dax um aws service
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that is pretty easy to set up apparently
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we just researched it yesterday but
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um we also saw the cost of it and it was
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relatively expensive for our use
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that being said um i think uh
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what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna research
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uh check um what will it cost us if we
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have our brand new car which is uh if
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it's in the fridge here so yeah that
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being said let's jog on to the action
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and do a bit of research on it all right
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so i'm just going to share my screen
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there you go and i'll
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actually i want to check is dax
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is that for the manager
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fully managed highly available and in
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memory cache for amazon uh
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dynamodb that delivers up to 10 times
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performance improvement from
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milliseconds to microseconds and we
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even add millions of requests per second
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just as you know you only pay
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for the capacity in your provision okay
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uh is there a free tail dynamodb 20
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25 gb of free storage okay
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so yeah i don't think that dax will be
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let's check out this one
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so saying the same information that is
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have you listened to that in memory
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excellent acceleration
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cache and validation data and now you
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yeah it doesn't co i don't think
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in the free table so just go and use
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that one and see how that goes
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right um so let's get started with that
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all right no not that one
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okay it's given that one
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reliable cluster in the front of
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in front of dynamodb where our cache
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yeah we can just do that one then right
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so in that case we i need to check
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so essentially what i want to do is i
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when checking if the board name exists
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when the user goes on the home page
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board names will be
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and in that way we won't really have to
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send after every board name
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we won't have to talk to to the
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again and again we can just
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on the homepage load we can
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store all the boring board names from
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the database in dynamodb cache which is
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dax and just check from there
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all right uh available inside the vpc so
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you want implies that you're
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running function inside the very same
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so vpc will be you will be included in
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the vpc then right right right actually
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fully managed uh-huh in memory case for
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downloading java issues in java using
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can be completely hidden from the
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as dash java compliant
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client implements the same
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interface as the direct client
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but okay this one provides
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micronauts i don't want that
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yeah there you go i needed this one
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okay to set up not just on your ec2
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instance as follows
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use mvm to install node.js
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okay i've got that one already
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then z if i would try dax
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install dash and node.js
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okay so that's the client
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taking note of time
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actually um what if i just store
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in instead of using dex
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uh why don't i store
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all the board names in an array
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and then just compare it so every time
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it loads up you will compare
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um the board name that you uses types
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with an array when the ghost pressed
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yeah i could do that instead can i
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hey tory what's happening megan good to
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have you and welcome
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it was cortex turned but he had some
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events on so he won't be able to make it
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he didn't tell me that mostly likely he
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yes it's just me for
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today i'll try my best to um
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entertain you guys you want to know
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that'd be fantastic um
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i'll just send you an invite and you can
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this is it start exciting stuff i like
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offering me that's a really good
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hey girl i've just sent you on this
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okay uh i've sent you the link on slack
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look forward to having you there
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that's not my handle
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how's it going zane i'm very good man
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good i'm i'm here to help stop you from
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thank you i really appreciate it i've
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been i was just figuring out as in how
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without spending 44 bucks
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usd and it's not even australian ones
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yeah i forgot that like basically
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anything on aws is running on an ec2
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instance right like anything
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so i forgot that that dax is is running
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on like yeah i forgot yeah yeah and so
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yeah it's it's expensive
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that involves the vpcs
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well what's that sorry i'm the vpc
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dex i was just researching a bit more on
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that one and i found out that it's also
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we would have to include the lambda in
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the vpc and then run
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okay yeah i've never
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done it myself so i don't know because
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like it's just something i learned about
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yeah you should yeah and i know exactly
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how you feel because yeah this is my
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dax as well and all my knowledge about
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relatively brand new
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pretty much my own knowledge around aws
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is all theoretical
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because i don't really want to make the
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architecture that complicated and yeah
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this at this same because
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near the end of the whole uh mvp
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what i was thinking that
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do you remember what are we working on
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uh at the moment or
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go through that again
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you mean like right now like immediately
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what you're working on yeah yeah uh i
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remember it are you talking about the
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same topic as yesterday
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yeah i know we were taught you're you
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if and you you can tell me if i'm wrong
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be able to not make extra trips to the
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database to retrieve the board name
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so that's why you were thinking about
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bringing in this cache
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you didn't have to do that
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that is correct uh but the main reason
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um include the cash was as in
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duplicate board names as in they all
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why really as in the end goal
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would have been to
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as in when the home page loads up
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all the board names are fetched from the
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database and then they're stored in the
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and then we can just compare
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um what the user types to that cache and
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if that board name is already there
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the user won't be allowed to create a
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board of that name but if
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not there then they can easily create
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it will be inserted in as well
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using the cash is kind of like over
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engineering it because exactly i mean
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um because it's it's expensive too and
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it's more i think it's like the cash is
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it's like i i guess
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it sounds like a use for a cash but i
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think cash really is supposed to save
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you on latency like it's read only
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yeah and and and like really the like
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let's say you had a multiplayer game or
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something yeah then like you'd be
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hitting that cash because you want the
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response times like super fast yeah but
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yeah i guess the other purpose is to
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you know the database or server
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and you may not like my answer
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but i think like go for it i think i
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think if you were to implement that
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you're just kind of like putting a
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the on the fundamental problem
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if you will i don't know if that's
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the right way to describe a nosql
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like because you're using the board name
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as your primary key and not some random
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that's that's like that that to me i
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feel like is the fundamental problem
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unless you specifically do not
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want there ever to be two
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board names that are the same name
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but if if that is what you want then
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yeah i think there's like you have to
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like like what you're doing to not allow
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users to create four names to name but
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if i go to google docs or something
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then like i can create my own
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um document name for
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for that for that google doc but like
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it doesn't matter to
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it doesn't matter to zayn that like he
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names it the same thing
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you know what i'm saying
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like we can't have the same
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i feel like that that alleviates you
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it avoids this like
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duplication problem
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um yes uh i i think i understand where
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you're coming from so you're basically
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as in how i understand it that um
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there are two levels
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once the account level and then there's
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yeah yeah that's what i'm thinking like
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so in our design for the mvp there is no
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account level yet but they scheduled to
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be implemented in the near future the
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only thing is that because we don't have
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that account level at the moment
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that's where the board
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because yeah yeah so
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solution that came into my mind and
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um i just want to share it with you as
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create an array as in in memory
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when the page loads as in the home page
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this is freaked out it is
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time no i i think he's
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he thought he saw something important
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decided to bark at it go ahead
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yeah uh we create a in
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and then store on when the home page
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we get all the board names as string and
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then story in that array
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you definitely could do that
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i just think so you're going to put them
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on the client side right you're going to
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put them you're going to
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take all these board names on on load on
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the client and then you're gonna
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uh yes you're gonna
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okay let me rephrase that you're gonna
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query the database for all the board
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i think i think that could work if
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you don't but is it
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because like what's that you have a
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million board names
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like it's gonna be
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it's not it's not gonna be like very
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scalable i think it'll work for the
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production situation
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i don't think that's
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agree with you as well that if we have
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gazillion boards yeah let's say a gazoo
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we have it because in that way we can
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tell that our our projects has gone
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viral and every single person in the
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whole universe is basically choosing our
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that'll be fantastic but yeah if we have
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have some performance issues
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um and we can come back to that later on
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in this stage but at this at this stage
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we're not really sure as in how many
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going to use that and i'm pretty sure it
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that is where my thinking is
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going temporary temporarily the only the
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only thing i can see that could
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potentially go wrong with that there is
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the edge case that like two people hop
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rare moment and create the same board
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name at the same exact time
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would be an extreme
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can hope that no one does it but
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going in the future i just want to get
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the really the base
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functionality done before
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um the 31st of december
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everything is okay for the time being
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then we can move on
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enhancing it as well
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what would be your thoughts on that one
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i think on a small scale
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it's it it'll work like yeah yeah um
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it but the the thing to me is like if it
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if it's already on a small scale then
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well i just not do the
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like just just index all the names in
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in dynamodb just like create an index of
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and then just like hit that index like
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when it whenever anybody
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hits submit and it's like i feel like
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in my opinion it just sounds like you're
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just adding like another layer that
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you're gonna have to remove
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later versus like indexing it will just
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give you all those
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all those keys that you're you know the
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very fast look up like and and like
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sure you're you're still gonna have to
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hit the database but like um like it's
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on a small scale anyways so it shouldn't
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matter and then you don't have to like
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really you don't have to remove it later
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that's that that's i don't know that's
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just my opinion about it but like i
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think the other solution works works too
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right right right so you're basically
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saying because it's all the
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project is already on a small scale um
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we can pretty much
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comparing and everything so all we can
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that board name isn't
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isn't present and if it's
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not in any of the in
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indexes you just create it
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vice versa then basically don't create
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is that what you say
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like i don't know who's watching in the
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chat it could be like he's wrong
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i don't know like if the if the if
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if the if the primary key
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is already the table name i don't know
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if you need to index it because i'm i'm
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not i don't know much about database
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okay like really i don't know much at
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maybe you can just do a quick look up
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without even indexing it anyways
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what i'm what my concern is
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typed okay i'll just open up
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explain during that thing in that way we
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be able to understand properly
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okay so say we have
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written a name called test one okay
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then we want and then
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this basically is our
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we have our board names here say
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so my concern here if we are working
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directly with the database is that see
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as soon as i type test one
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you will go to the database
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and say no you can't
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because it's already
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present okay cool so if i do
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then it will go again to the
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dead space but now
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straight straight back
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probably have to loop in the database as
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no two no three no four no ten yes and
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then it will come back again i said no i
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it will go through every table again as
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board again and then if if you can't
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it will come back and say okay fine
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see i'm just trying to outline how much
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time and resources it will
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work with the database
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but if we say have another
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one here say this is a memory one
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doesn't exist uh at the moment
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neither does this or this
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this is our home page here i'm terrible
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yeah trust me i i i am so bad at that
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one would be if this is
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our home page as soon as this loads
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these all names will come here
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this all the in memory ones are in the
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in the home page we don't have to go
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back and forth with the there's a base
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we can just compare and contrast the
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but you're right as well that if it's a
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if it's a big app then it would be hard
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it will consume a lot of
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resources but that's not really
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my concern at this stage
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well yeah one thing is i okay so
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i think three ways to retrieve
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from dynamodb and again i preface this
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by saying i don't know that much
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but i think there's there's a there's a
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like that's just like a straight lookup
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and i'm i don't i don't rem i don't
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i think it's through a hash
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if i'm correct it gets a single
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if you use a get right so if you did if
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you did board name if you type if you're
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the user you type in a board name and
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then they go get and then you and then
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you go try to retrieve it and you get
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nothing back then you know that that's
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available and that way you don't have to
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to scan the whole table to check all the
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because the scan is very expensive the
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scan is and it's it's the most yes
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it it it takes them that's what that's
0:33:46
why it's more expensive too um
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because of because of any scans you're
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performing like i i remember when i'm
0:33:55
aws for my certifications and
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one of the instructor was like
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unless you have a good reason to use
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don't use scans because it's yeah
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yeah um it's really expensive
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it's really expensive
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maybe just using that that get
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the other one is query but i think
0:34:22
queries for a range
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um but get should just retrieve one
0:34:26
individual item and then if it's there
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you're gonna know if the board name is
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present or not so you don't have to like
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go looping through the whole
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each row in the table row i don't know
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what it's called in a in a document but
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yes there is one scenario um another
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say if you use a get
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say a board that's already there
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so it will go and touch that database
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it will say okay this board is all
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give it a different name and it
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in the space against
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saying that okay this board is also
0:35:34
already there so i'm just
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but again we're thinking at a small
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yeah like yeah we're not we're not
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we're not you're not like you shouldn't
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worry about that situation on a small
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because then if it's like really big
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maybe you would have a reason to use a
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but i think i think i think the get
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method is a hashing function so
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i could be totally wrong don't quote me
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because i'm being recorded but like
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don't quote me i think i think it's a
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very i think it's a very fast and
0:36:16
inexpensive look up if i remember
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it is yeah yeah you know the you know
0:36:22
the users in the chat here they're
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they're they're cruel they'll just like
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no i'm but they're all there for our
0:36:37
learning experience as well and if they
0:36:40
don't correct us how will we know
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if we have if we have actually have the
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i don't think it's about shredding i
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think it's just about
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learning a bit of a hawk a bit of a hard
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way and in that way you won't ever
0:37:02
forget the information because
0:37:08
yeah that's true that's true
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so you recommend that we should go for
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i um i think i think
0:37:20
that's i'm not a dynamodb expert but i
0:37:24
think i think that's i think that's the
0:37:26
best thing i think that's i think that's
0:37:28
what you want to do in this situation
0:37:31
and i think it's the the most efficient
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call it's the most inexpensive call
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and i don't think you need i think it's
0:37:38
a hashing function so like a map right
0:37:41
you have a hash so it's gonna go like
0:37:44
i'm not gonna say constant lookup time
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but like yeah let's let's check it out
0:37:57
learning about databases and i'm not
0:38:00
doing it on a daily basis so like
0:38:03
if if i wish i wish um
0:38:07
like i don't know somebody else like
0:38:11
is like just yeah just use this
0:38:18
they are reading kind of
0:38:21
experts and a lot more senior than
0:38:27
this is the way how we are trying to
0:38:31
learn i think professionally for sure
0:38:33
exactly how that they have actually
0:38:35
passed those hurdles so it's a good
0:38:40
figuring out and then learning because
0:38:43
in this web way i don't think we'll ever
0:38:46
forget that even the concepts
0:38:54
yeah this is the um dynamodb with
0:38:58
node.js i just want to get the loading
0:39:05
this is the put operation don't need
0:39:16
all right so there's a get item
0:39:23
you know to make this through my creator
0:39:29
uh console.log of the results so you can
0:39:33
the important thing to pay attention to
0:39:34
here example the possible report pass
0:39:42
the results oh so is getting the entire
0:39:49
we don't need the entire
0:39:54
no no no no no this is not good but a
0:39:58
scan will do the same thing scan will
0:40:01
retrieve everything
0:40:05
right is that right
0:40:08
it's been a while okay um
0:40:14
because we don't need the objects
0:40:25
need these kind of
0:40:29
i don't think any of the db
0:40:35
work here because they are bringing all
0:40:39
objects as a sing single
0:40:44
what we basically need is one
0:40:52
i'm wrong i'm wrong
0:40:58
would be the way so what would probably
0:41:08
will be the actual board board name
0:41:10
and then this would be a second board
0:41:13
name third board name
0:41:23
yeah i'm following
0:41:38
right right right right right okay
0:41:56
oh you can try this in the cli too
0:42:00
i forgot about that yeah
0:42:08
it's like i think cart kartik wanted to
0:42:14
talking about how i passed my
0:42:16
certifications and i'm just like
0:42:18
yeah i learned a lot but don't cram
0:42:24
yeah i know that feeling is feeling as
0:42:28
especially because when i'm when i was
0:42:30
done with it like i'm like okay i gotta
0:42:32
go like go do other stuff like non yeah
0:42:35
not even related to aws and now i'm like
0:42:43
they just so much out there
0:42:46
i think to learn them
0:42:48
once you think they okay i think i know
0:42:52
this topic a little bit
0:42:58
else that comes along and you're you
0:43:02
you're like okay i think i want to do
0:43:06
any and it just keeps building up
0:43:10
yeah well you know i do i do front end
0:43:15
oh right i see i do front end like
0:43:18
learning aws was like what was like
0:43:21
really fun i loved it but like mostly
0:43:23
i'm focused on front-end stuff right now
0:43:26
it certainly helped it helped me a great
0:43:28
deal understanding like serverless
0:43:33
and like other like architectural
0:43:39
um you know software design uh things
0:43:43
and scalability reliability uh all that
0:43:45
great stuff but like in terms of like
0:43:48
like the the technic the more technical
0:43:50
details of of working with dynamo be db
0:43:54
for instance like yeah i don't remember
0:43:56
it like two times all right
0:44:04
same as well although i've done
0:44:07
cloud practitioner as just solutions arc
0:44:14
ask me as in on top of them
0:44:17
until my head which
0:44:19
service i should use it
0:44:22
i would probably take
0:44:25
32 45 seconds just
0:44:30
and then come up and that might not even
0:44:36
there is a lot and if we don't be
0:44:43
it can get a bit as in
0:44:46
uh our hand as well
0:44:50
well now i use like the one like really
0:44:56
in my day-to-day let's say because there
0:44:57
are many helpful things but like
0:45:01
like i guess like practical helpful
0:45:06
aside from like working with like s3 or
0:45:13
is like serverless functions
0:45:17
that's very helpful
0:45:19
yeah because because i work in like
0:45:27
functions which are just like i think
0:45:29
they're they run on
0:45:31
they just run on aws lambdas
0:45:42
serverless is basically consists of
0:46:00
i have actually seen how they're using
0:46:06
and i think for what we're
0:46:09
trying to do it might be a bit too
0:46:17
we if we use get then we would have to
0:46:20
implement a method
0:46:22
in the back end first
0:46:24
and then also in the
0:46:27
from front end and then connect the two
0:46:32
most easiest and the fastest approach
0:46:40
just to stick a kind of a sellotape
0:46:45
leakage part would be as in just basic
0:46:54
and then use the in memory database to
0:46:58
compare and contrast
0:47:01
i think that that's going to be a lot
0:47:08
sounds good so what i'm gonna do is i'm
0:47:14
go in and get the latest
0:47:24
all right see how far
0:47:35
because i'm taking the latest after ages
0:47:43
no no no no no no no it says only two
0:47:47
so i think everyone might want to do is
0:47:53
sorry i was just going to make a joke
0:47:56
i was going to say
0:47:57
that's how you can tell
0:48:01
kay and tanesh did while you're yeah
0:48:16
they've actually really impressed me
0:48:22
they've been on top of things
0:48:24
which is really good
0:48:26
yeah they weren't evil on the jira
0:48:32
but that i think was my part
0:48:38
to keep everything
0:48:41
they did a pretty good
0:48:44
just being hands-on
0:48:48
they copped out of jira because they're
0:48:53
i hope you guys watch this later
0:49:15
let me see which branch am i on at the
0:49:20
you're branching certainly notes okay
0:49:25
everything has been done in insert new
0:49:28
it wow i need to catch up now
0:49:35
so how many branches have they made okay
0:49:39
still insert new notes cool
0:49:45
would have been on scripts and still
0:49:50
um i really have to
0:49:53
change this file name
0:49:55
still front-end it doesn't make any
0:50:07
so this is the delete
0:50:09
note this is the delete now call
0:50:17
update okay draw a new card
0:50:25
delete now okay cool so our so the
0:50:28
functionality that i'm so as soon as
0:50:36
loads which would be on home.html
0:50:49
i need to call that method which would
0:50:51
be in still front end here we go
0:51:22
okay here we go that's get boards so we
0:51:25
can probably use this one
0:51:33
let me just check how
0:51:36
what does this get bored
0:51:51
okay this is get boards i need to get
0:51:58
let's check what this gives me now
0:52:05
what does it return jason
0:52:08
yeah i'm pretty sure it does
0:52:18
uh are you still in uh amsterdam um no
0:52:26
sounds like it sounds like you went to
0:52:28
amsterdam recently
0:52:32
yeah i'm still here like
0:52:35
yeah it's oh i thought
0:52:38
they're supposed to have direct flights
0:52:40
but they never they never showed up yeah
0:52:43
right right because i did um hear that
0:52:48
arranging your as in
0:52:51
trip to go back home
0:52:54
but like i was like where's the flights
0:52:57
and now there's still no flights and now
0:53:01
with when the omnicron
0:53:07
like yeah it's going to be a while
0:53:09
because like they added more
0:53:10
restrictions which just as mean to
0:53:13
you know airlines like yeah we're not
0:53:15
even going to try them
0:53:18
i see because because actually the
0:53:20
airport is open but no airlines have
0:53:25
uh flying in routes
0:53:31
right right right right i see what you
0:53:35
cause bali is such a popular destination
0:53:40
especially for the entrepreneurs though
0:53:43
as you know i've heard that the cost of
0:53:46
living is really cheap over there is it
0:53:48
that's that's that's why you guys are
0:53:51
gonna come here and
0:53:57
do the scrambler enhancement ipo launch
0:54:07
we'll be waiting for the um business
0:54:13
for me as well sorry
0:54:15
okay there's one two three four five
0:54:21
i think you're talking to the wrong guy
0:54:23
i don't have a job i don't have a job
0:54:26
so like by the way
0:54:28
if if you're if you're a professional
0:54:31
engineering manager and you're looking
0:54:33
for a great developer
0:54:45
uh i wish i could man i don't even have
0:54:48
a company that's for anybody who who
0:54:58
tori he's a really in
0:55:06
uh aws say fight isn't it or two two
0:55:11
two two times i was i was thinking about
0:55:15
that sysops one and then i was like nah
0:55:18
right now right now
0:55:21
yeah okay cool cool yeah
0:55:31
one a of the engineering managers or hr
0:55:39
he's really hard working i can
0:55:41
personally start off and vouch
0:55:48
oh wow thanks man i appreciate that a
0:55:52
that's and the hard working part is true
0:55:55
that's why i look the way i do
0:56:17
was it last week yeah i think it was
0:56:19
last week i finished
0:56:23
like i finished the i finished the final
0:56:25
round of the interview
0:56:27
for a position at a company in colorado
0:56:30
his name should still not be named
0:56:36
they they declined me the position
0:56:39
but why and then did you never
0:56:45
um well i signed an nda so i can't speak
0:56:49
too fully about it but right they
0:56:59
well the the engineering manager was
0:57:02
really nice um he's like super nice and
0:57:05
he gave me some feedback and said
0:57:09
your technical skills are great like
0:57:12
they're not in question because this is
0:57:13
this is for this is for a front-end
0:57:15
position and react
0:57:23
he said like the one thing i wanna i
0:57:25
would like to have seen more of is like
0:57:28
collaboration with other developers
0:57:32
and i was like ah yes yeah
0:57:35
that that i was like oh
0:57:40
because i didn't know that was
0:57:42
necessarily a hard requirement like to
0:57:44
actually demonstrate
0:57:47
with some projects
0:57:49
that i had been working with other
0:57:51
developers because i'm very involved in
0:57:55
communities like all day with developers
0:57:58
and i'm here like talking to you yeah
0:58:01
like that type of stuff i do that a lot
0:58:03
yeah and but like i guess i didn't have
0:58:06
the actual like proof that he was
0:58:09
necessarily looking for
0:58:11
but i don't know if that's what
0:58:13
i don't know if that's what made the
0:58:14
difference or there was just like a more
0:58:19
who was in there or in an internal
0:58:22
higher perhaps too
0:58:26
i see you would be coming from now
0:58:28
yeah internal hires are always gonna
0:58:31
pretty much trump you yeah
0:58:33
of course of course as in there's no
0:58:36
question about it but um
0:58:38
yeah i would just as in
0:58:42
suggest that it's just one company
0:58:46
million other other companies and i'm
0:58:52
everything happens for
0:58:55
and um there's something better
0:59:03
so yeah thanks i know that it's a bit
0:59:06
crushing as well but i would highly
0:59:10
take it as a learning and just move on
0:59:13
yeah i did definitely learn a lot from
0:59:15
the from the interview process um yeah
0:59:18
and i was i was pretty happy
0:59:21
i could have done better in some like
0:59:24
more soft skills areas but
0:59:29
right right i was pretty happy with how
0:59:34
yeah i mean you never you never know um
0:59:38
but yeah i don't know i'm not i'm not
0:59:39
shaken by it like i was like this close
0:59:42
you know to like getting something yeah
0:59:46
yeah so true though especially if it's
0:59:51
stage as in pretty sure your personality
0:59:55
is fine your technical abilities are
0:59:58
great like the um engineering
1:00:04
said and i think from my experience to
1:00:08
last stage is just to check your
1:00:12
in the company as well
1:00:14
as in how how do you connect with with
1:00:18
others as in how do you talk to as in
1:00:20
your colleagues your speaking style
1:00:25
yeah man so yeah basically what you're
1:00:30
they don't enjoy my sense of humor
1:00:34
i wouldn't say if they don't enjoy your
1:00:37
sense of humor but what i would
1:00:46
humor that you have didn't really fit in
1:00:50
that company as in that particular
1:00:52
particular company
1:00:58
to be honest like i don't have that much
1:01:02
collaboration experience um working on
1:01:06
i have zero collaboration experience
1:01:08
working in a you know in a production
1:01:11
environment at us at a medium to
1:01:14
enterprise-sized company that's for sure
1:01:22
but collaboration experience
1:01:29
um and working with other other
1:01:35
and this this is for like a junior
1:01:37
mid-level role too so
1:01:40
oh so this was for junior to middle
1:01:44
level role i see i see yes yes i was
1:01:48
more for junior level role
1:02:00
i i've been rejected for approximately
1:02:04
i was applying for a job after i got my
1:02:08
pr i got rejected for about i think 150
1:02:14
and oh you mean you didn't hear back
1:02:24
no hearing back is the same as okay we
1:02:27
don't want you as in
1:02:29
we don't want you there maybe some other
1:02:32
companies but we don't want you
1:02:38
those kind of things are pretty normal
1:02:51
the more you hear those kind of things
1:02:54
you just laugh them all as
1:02:56
another one all right move on
1:03:00
i mean for for me not hearing back from
1:03:03
a company because i sent in an app that
1:03:04
doesn't bother me at all but like
1:03:07
when i have to go through a grueling
1:03:09
process like i prep so
1:03:14
for this i prep so hard like
1:03:18
and and then to go through all these
1:03:20
interview rounds meeting with
1:03:22
how many i met with
1:03:24
i met with a bunch of engineers
1:03:27
there and i met with a pm too
1:03:31
and to go through like hours of
1:03:34
interviewing and then get rid of that
1:03:38
that's things a lot more i think um in
1:03:41
my no in that case from well it's the
1:03:45
time investment you know like you're
1:03:47
putting in a lot of you're investing a
1:03:51
so like if i fire an application and you
1:03:53
don't get back to me like no sweat i got
1:03:55
i got i can i can i can fire out a lot
1:03:58
of applications you know like that yeah
1:04:05
yeah man i would just say at the at the
1:04:09
moment but i'll tell you
1:04:11
something really in
1:04:20
off the stream yes
1:04:25
for them but yeah um
1:04:27
thanks guys who ever was
1:04:30
watching us i'm really great to have
1:04:35
thank you tori for um
1:04:38
coming in as a really good surprise
1:04:42
and just accompanying
1:04:45
me in this session i was really bored as
1:04:49
in doing uh everything alone so it's
1:04:52
good they came in and
1:04:54
added a bit of humor a bit of fun fun
1:04:57
moments and we had a good conversation
1:05:00
as well thanks for having me on like i
1:05:04
the rants weren't too long
1:05:07
it can never be too long
1:05:10
that'll be too long
1:05:17
today just to summarize that tori tried
1:05:20
his best to um convince
1:05:23
me on using dynamo tv but um he was
1:05:27
right from as in a larger scale
1:05:30
and the performance and effectiveness of
1:05:34
application and i totally
1:05:44
where we are at the moment for the
1:05:58
would be over engineering a simple
1:06:04
therefore um i just decided that
1:06:11
this stage to keep the app really simple
1:06:22
create an in-memory database on the
1:06:29
um just comparing on contrast the board
1:06:33
board name for uniqueness purposes
1:06:37
yeah that was this
1:06:39
cited hopefully that that functionality
1:06:42
isn't too hard and it should be done
1:06:53
tori been a pleasure having you
1:06:56
thanks sam good to see you back
1:06:58
you too right um and yeah
1:07:03
sunday same time same place and a same
1:07:07
toss so see you then guys catch you
