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all right welcome back everyone welcome
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the hundredth episode of bill break and
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um yes of course all these people are
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new here we are recorders and
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today we are completing 100 continuous
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episodes um of a venture which we
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started uh back in july
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remember correctly
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yeah what this means is that i think we
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have completed over 140 hours of
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streaming in the last three and a half
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um which is essentially a part of our
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lives now um it's been pretty good
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so yeah and we have matt golds here matt
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do you want to give us an introduction
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yeah no problems uh matt coles um a
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fellow melbourne person along with
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yourselves known each other from the aws
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programming and tools group you've
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helped me with a couple of aws events
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and uh yeah like i'm fairly keen on
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the the cloud side of things working in
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so 100 episodes is a fair uh fair amount
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i think i remember you guys back in day
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one right and yeah uh you know zayn i
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think the setup was a little bit
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different you were in a different room
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different back up uh backgrounds and
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then like uh kartik like uh you've got
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neon signs and everything in the
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yeah that's how the progression works
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and yeah remember i think
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you are the only person i remember who
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used to watch since like july
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i'm pretty sure july and august right
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yeah right from the start i think paul
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joined you and you had uh you had gank
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dev didn't you as well you had a few but
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like uh usually one a day how much do
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you guys get now i i
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i've had to keep my wife company most
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nights these these times and she's been
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working like 5 a.m shifts so
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that's a totally uh understandable as in
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family always comes
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yeah you're right there um uh other
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whether as well as in gag dev
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they were there was port as well um
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all the rest of regular viewers hasn't
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been an incredible support for us as in
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i don't think if you
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this initially started and they were
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probably at least say
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i think just kind of had a feeling that
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i'm talking too much talking to myself
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was a really good experience as well
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yeah yeah i mean you definitely stayed
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hydrated though i remember a couple of
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so you did have the audience egg you on
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a few times and you had what was the
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the push-ups right like if you had
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something successfully deployed is that
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true that was basic
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clear every special getting a special
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guest that comes in we had to do
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we had to do push-ups so
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it would be you as well so
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i don't know how i'm going to be able to
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the webcam is kind of restricted
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no stress yet but yeah
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okay it's more like a journey
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but you might not be able to see them
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or something like that
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yeah i remember one of the push-ups
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i don't know when was it but like i
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wasn't feeling it so i just counted till
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i don't remember which one was it but
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yeah so that strategy works matt
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so that means that you've got to do 20
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yeah probably just to make up for it
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that way we're all on the same account
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and i'll make sure i can't pro i can't
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properly like a programmer which means
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that means that that's the last push-up
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so you go down from nine or you start at
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um we we basically do five so
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we all start as in on the same time so
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in total it's 15 but we
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but if you stop at zero then that's
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really six right yeah yeah
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that's true exactly
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um yeah so i know for a fact that matt
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paul stream as well um
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shout out to devs and chat so tell us a
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little bit about that venture which and
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how's that coming along for you guys
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yeah it's going really well we we
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definitely haven't come anywhere near
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close to you guys when it comes to 100
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um yeah we've we've been doing it for
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around the same time like did we start
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before you guys are after you guys
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it feels like it was roughly around the
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same time right yeah i think it was
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pretty much the same thing like when
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paul and you started then we kind of got
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the motivation as well so i remember
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but how is that coming along though
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yeah it's really good uh we originally
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actually committed to like once every
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two weeks right so
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we ended up having a lot of content so
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we just fell into like every week
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um yeah every wednesday 12 o'clock
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lunchtime melbourne time um we basically
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uh do a stream uh we find different
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people to come onto the stream and
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usually it's like a you know it's around
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being hands-on with aws like one of the
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things that uh paul and myself noticed
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was like there's a lot of solution
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architects technical account managers um
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people from proserv
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that all work in aws and they they
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really know the networking side really
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well they know how to build things in
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um but what we thought was like we could
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uh add a bit of our uniqueness in which
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was like we come from a bit of a
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development background which is a little
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bit different and uh and we felt like
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it'd be really cool to be hands-on um
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the code and the tools not just the
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console as well um because we know a lot
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of people weren't too confident uh you
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know building something in aws sam or
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you know using the the cli or
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any of those things so yeah that's
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that's kind of why the show started up
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and i think it's going really well uh
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it depends on the day but like last week
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we had 500 people um but on average we
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have about 2 000 people watch and then
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like we started getting into the habit
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of like archiving a lot of the videos on
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but doing it once a week's very
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different commitment to
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doing it almost every day right like
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what you guys have been doing
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yeah yeah for sure but like what is it
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though like what does devs in the shed
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mean like the name is pretty interesting
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yeah so so i mean divs in the shed like
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the the whole the whole thought process
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really like hands-on tools showing like
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um things being coded up um playing with
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iot projects building like front-end
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you know showing showing things that
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we're building in back-ends as well it
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was supposed to be just really flexible
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right because we we wanted every second
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week a guest to come on and they'll have
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a different skill set of as well
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but yeah the whole motivation was just
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like let's let's show people like some
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of the cool things we're working on uh
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let's get people excited about building
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and that was that was really the core of
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we we did do it in the shed um in terms
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of the interesting title like it's now a
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cabin so i've had a bit of an upgrade um
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yeah that side was actually paul's so
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like i was like let's do a dev show and
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he's like it has to be in the shed and
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i'm like i don't have ethernet in my
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shed i don't have power in my shed so
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like uh you know like for like the first
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10 15 episodes i used to run
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uh a power cord from like my window in
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my bedroom and i'd run it across the
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shed like it was a very long power chord
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and then i did that with ethernet as
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well so um so that way we could kind of
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fit on that particular um you know
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um which which was supposedly like you
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know um we've got our development tools
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our keyboard mouse but we're also around
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you know all the other tools in the shed
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like so we can do like iot straight away
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or you could just get a hammer and
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you know knock something i guess yeah
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that's fairly and and i think that's
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really important because as devs we
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don't really get to play around with the
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actual stuff a lot
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like surely you can go to python script
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but how is gonna like transfer to the
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real life and the person is going to see
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i think that's a pretty good idea to
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just get hands-on and build iot projects
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and get people on board
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yeah i totally agree with okay as in
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just a name it gives out as in a
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kind of a whole background as in what
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was some things as in being hands-on you
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guys do i mean i came to your um
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show i think few time probably once or
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twice and i really
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loved as in the background was
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also with the in the u
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i white tools the spanners the
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screwdrivers as in all the mechanical
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and then in the screen it was actually
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all hardcore hands-on
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which was really good
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especially the way as in
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like as in really professionally i
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i'd highly recommend to the viewers that
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they if they haven't um
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dev in this is really informative
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uh informative background
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useful content and
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humorous people as well
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some people might not find us sunny
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we've both got odd senses of humor i'd
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yeah one of the things i was like you
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know it's mostly around the learning at
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the end of the day like we can have fun
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whilst learning and that's what we try
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i don't know about yourselves right like
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i can read a manual i can read
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i can read a guide online on how to do
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um but you know it usually doesn't click
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until i do it hands-on as well so that's
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kind of like something that we found um
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you know very important
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yeah and and you'll embarrass yourselves
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on the stream as well right like you
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guys probably have some sometimes where
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you're like oh that was obvious but uh
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paul and myself do as well right like
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because there's always it's like people
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don't realize that there's extra stress
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when you're when you're streaming and
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then like missing a semi-golden or
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something very simple turns into like uh
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you know 30-minute hunts um and then but
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we're all human right at the end of the
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yeah and i think that's a pretty
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interesting point to raise just just
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learning by doing um it all comes down
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um just really when you can you get down
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in programming as well like no matter
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how much documentation you can read but
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until unless you write the first hello
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world like you're just not going to get
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yeah exactly yeah and i can see we've
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got a bit of an audience going on here
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as well have you guys been looking at
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the comments yeah so tori's joined us
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we've got adrian's joined us
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jack debsted as well
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good to have you all
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and thank you really appreci you really
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what happened to my hair
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sorry has been i will pretty much really
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employment has been
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feeling great as well yeah
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like just having like even one viewer
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like it's just a whole person to talk to
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right it's so much more helpful than
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um like like let's be honest it is a
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numbers game at the end of the day
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no matter how much um
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talk about that yeah we have the
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motivation but until unless like two
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three people join you and just like go
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i think it's a better experience and
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yeah i think matt matt i think matt and
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paul have a large audience now so
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yeah how does it feel to like build up
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our audience from scratch matt
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we we had a lot more lucky than you guys
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right because we we could borrow people
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on the aws channel like that subscribes
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around the world so like you know like
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2 000 people watching um you know like a
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that's a pretty good number right um but
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like you know i can't give us credit for
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being able to get that full number
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um the thing that i can say is like you
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know when we when we look at like a lot
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of the shows on the aws channel
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usually it's about 250 to 500 right so
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it seems like we're doing something
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right um but you know there's other
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people that stream on aws channel like
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deafbeard ops and you know they've got a
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fantastic show and they've been doing it
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a lot longer than us and they're a bit
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more experienced and so you know like
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they've got even better numbers and you
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know yeah but you watch them and you're
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like it's all well deserved
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as in feeling credible i think you got
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a really good feeling seeing than
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seeing the numbers slowly girl from as
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in zero and then one two five ten and
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i can tell though but i really wanted to
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get your insights there
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do you remember the first day that you
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well well live how was the experience
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uh well we were super nervous right
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yeah i guess i guess like
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we could embarrass ourselves on the
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internet for all time right we could
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become like this meme on the aws channel
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which is no good uh we could say
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something embarrassing or you know like
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something that we're not supposed to say
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get ourselves into trouble and not have
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a job the next day so yeah
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you know like it's um but but like i i
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think we weren't we were pretty
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confident that it was going to be um it
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was going to be good and and i think we
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we both like just before we went live
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were like if any of us make a mistake or
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cover it up and keep going and smile and
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kind of make our way through it right
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and um and the other thing that's like
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intimidating is like anyone can ask you
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any question on the sun right yeah so
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you've gotta you've gotta pay attention
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to the chats and you know like i think
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even with aws like we've got 300
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services roughly now
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and like you know like people will be
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like oh tell us about qldb and we're
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like i've touched qldp
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i could only be an expert in like five
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core services and i only know like you
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know five languages vaguely and one
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language pretty okay like when i'm
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coding as well right because um
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there's just differences in everything
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uh i can see tori's comment time of day
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is important so we we found out lunch
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times an okay time
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but when we did when we did uh let's
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finish this particular uh project that
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we had a couple of weeks ago we hit
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stream at 5 00 p.m
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at 5 00 p.m we had about four or five
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thousand people watching like the ten
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so like a lot of it is like really like
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working out the time uh
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you know that we're streaming like like
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it can be even more than just like what
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the audience is doing and no one was on
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the channel for the next
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you know 12 hours so it wasn't like
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people were waiting for something to
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begin or something was just finishing it
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was purely um the time
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and i think that's a good time because
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5 p.m would be mostly like a good time
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all around the world like even europe or
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or i think i don't think for the us but
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like yeah the us has a huge audience
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right like um twitch is an american
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you know products um you know gamers use
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it mostly in the us
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i mean we were recommended to do it
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around like eight o'clock in the morning
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right and then we capture everyone
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that's like just finishing their
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paul and myself probably aren't early
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birds or at least i'm not
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yeah yeah fair enough that that's true
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so how would you recommend the whole
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idea of streaming for like anyone who's
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just starting up or like
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just just the whole idea of it like
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streaming your code online like why did
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i guess we we wanted to do something
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that was hopefully going to
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help people learn and get people excited
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about building on aws
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um we wanted to reach out to builders we
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aws is for builders right but like a lot
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of the time in the conversations that we
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have with our customers it's really like
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the cloud engineers and the cloud
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you know like awesome um really good
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people and devops people are awesome
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really good people as well
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uh but what we realized was like a lot
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of the times we're missing the
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conversations with the actual developers
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uh you know like the the cloud teams
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usually in front of them um when it
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comes to the customer side the devops
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team kind of like take we'll own cloud
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and and everything and so like we
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weren't actually reaching that layer of
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like the developers um when we started
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so uh yeah like it really came from like
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a passion i think if you wanna if you
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wanna stream something online it it's
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gotta really be about like you can make
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a fool of yourself you can embarrass
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yourself you don't have to know
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and yes the audience can hopefully you
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know support you and be encouraging when
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you make mistakes so they can try and
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help you out when you get stuck
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but so so but it's really a good
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motivator to to make sure that you do
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that you hopefully inspire other people
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to to get interested in what you're
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interested in which i think was the main
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thing for paul and myself
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think there's few really important
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points you raised the day which i
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when as in i was trying the first ever
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i've had to do as in coding
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chat as an interaction with the viewers
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which at the time was i was making
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really silly mistakes as in forgot the
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after say an object's name and i'm
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why is it not working and
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it was embarrassing but
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learning and fun at the same time though
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which has been a really memorable
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experience and then
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really happy that he came on because
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they actually gave me say
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what i'm doing on the channel another
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inspired by it and he wants to add
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which was kind of a key moment
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i don't know if you guys uh get inspired
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and you want to help the
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other person how would you
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so if you guys were on my end how would
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you guys feel about that
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about helping the person i'm just trying
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when you get inspired by a person and
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know that he might be struggling and
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everything by himself but
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offer it that i want to help you out as
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how would you feel
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so if i was the person that was
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um or if i was the person
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i'm getting a little confused yeah this
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is like an interview
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no no i'm just trying to as in because
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i've been curious all this time as in if
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and another person got inspired by him
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and he wanted to help him
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how would you feel as a person that was
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oh as the person that was struggling
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yeah that's what i was getting confused
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as to which which the equation i i can
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tell you like i struggled when i started
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uh development right
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there's somebody that's in the uh i'm
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trying to think of the community i think
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is it aws spreader marine tools or no
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so in devcop um i was surprised to see
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him like very recently but my original
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and i i was struggling right like
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because i actually don't have a degree
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in computer science
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yeah and you know like people are like
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oh oh notation or this or that and i'm
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like hey let me let me get back to the
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manual and work out what that is
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to be honest i actually studied video
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game design uh and and i did that at
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and i was really focused on the the 3d
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side of the equation um like i'd done uh
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like i i'd coded in like c c plus boss
0:23:56
and c sharp like just as a hobby for fun
0:23:59
um and i i continued that from when i
0:24:01
was like 14 into like doing games design
0:24:04
at university um you know but but i was
0:24:07
always really focused on like the visual
0:24:09
side of the equation like 3d modeling
0:24:11
the texture design
0:24:13
the level design and then like code
0:24:15
would kind of just fill the gaps to make
0:24:17
everything work and so i could see it
0:24:18
all animated and play out
0:24:20
um so like starting in like a a job
0:24:25
i guess when i graduated like all the
0:24:28
video game companies in australia closed
0:24:29
down like the gfc happened america wants
0:24:32
to keep the money in america so like all
0:24:35
the major studios kind of like closed at
0:24:38
and i i ended up teaching myself like um
0:24:42
objective c um ios programming making
0:24:45
apps and i started a place and i was
0:24:47
supposed to be making apps and i was
0:24:48
really confident with like objective c
0:24:51
and then um then i got told we've
0:24:53
actually got this php project that needs
0:24:56
and it was all data manipulation and it
0:25:00
was dealing with like this front end
0:25:01
called codeigniter this framework that i
0:25:03
never used i'd never done any of web
0:25:05
and so like i was in that struggling
0:25:07
camp at that time um and it was really
0:25:09
nice like the the mentor um
0:25:12
like he's still mentoring everyone in
0:25:14
melbourne it seems like he he kind of
0:25:16
spent like the first three months when i
0:25:18
started there and he helped like build
0:25:19
me up and get me more confidence and
0:25:21
show me what needed to to be learned to
0:25:23
be successful there right like i was
0:25:25
still building like an app in the
0:25:27
background which i was fine on that side
0:25:29
but i was i was super nervous coming
0:25:31
into web development not knowing
0:25:33
you know anything i'm like a rest api
0:25:35
let me google what this is this is
0:25:37
like um you know event driven
0:25:39
architecture like uh you know what
0:25:41
happened to like just having this loop
0:25:43
you know a game loop basically like
0:25:44
where you know like everything in the
0:25:46
world revolves around this loop and you
0:25:48
can just like chuck whatever you want
0:25:49
inside of it so like the concepts are
0:25:51
completely different so so i guess um
0:25:55
it's motivating it's uh it's inspiring
0:25:57
to have someone uh help you when you're
0:26:01
um so it's really good feeling and i
0:26:03
think the feelings conveyed on the other
0:26:05
side as well with the person that's uh a
0:26:07
mentor because usually they're mentoring
0:26:09
because they've probably done gone
0:26:10
through that in the past you know ever
0:26:13
everyone started from from nothing
0:26:18
no one no one started like you know i'm
0:26:20
gonna do web development today and i'm
0:26:22
completely perfect at it it's like a
0:26:24
multi-year journey
0:26:27
exactly exactly i couldn't agree more
0:26:35
the way the broken way that i i
0:26:40
you that the more concretely you
0:26:44
explained me so that really helped i'm
0:26:47
just really curious about um
0:26:54
since you joined um
0:26:57
what do you think about the streams in
0:27:02
like dev i was curious about
0:27:06
yeah first of all i want to add up to
0:27:08
the point when matt mentioned that
0:27:11
he studied game design so funny enough
0:27:13
when i was organizing the aws workshop
0:27:16
last year at rmit i got to know that
0:27:19
one of my professors in first year of
0:27:23
taught matt as well so
0:27:25
that was a really funny movement i had
0:27:31
but yeah i i think um like
0:27:34
like if you keep doing something
0:27:36
constantly and like with enough
0:27:37
persistence it is gonna progress like no
0:27:40
no matter how much like effortlessly
0:27:43
you're doing it so i i feel like since
0:27:45
day one um when we started and we
0:27:48
started documenting the whole thing i
0:27:50
think we have technically done more than
0:27:51
100 episodes because
0:27:53
the first few were only on twitch and
0:27:56
didn't actually go to youtube
0:27:57
so they went undocumented i'm thinking
0:28:03
but the interesting part was that i
0:28:05
think we know a lot more now um yeah
0:28:08
when i when i came in i didn't really
0:28:10
know what sam is or um i didn't really
0:28:14
um like i did have some experience with
0:28:16
obviously building on aws but
0:28:18
like just having that consistency to
0:28:20
just like just making a part of my life
0:28:23
essentially just coming around and like
0:28:26
what i need to do um
0:28:29
i i don't know about the streams
0:28:30
progress i think stream has progressed
0:28:32
for sure but for my personal progress i
0:28:36
think um i can really feel the
0:28:40
go into interviews or just
0:28:42
talk to people in general
0:28:46
and i'm pretty sure you have the same
0:28:50
yes for sure as in i can't really say in
0:28:58
a lot more success in interviews because
0:29:01
i haven't been to an interview
0:29:04
yes since i've started
0:29:06
this for talking about the interview i
0:29:09
really want to bring out this point i
0:29:12
don't know i'm mad if okay
0:29:15
okay told you about
0:29:17
this but yeah i'll just bring it up
0:29:21
day he told me that riku called him
0:29:25
he goes all right um
0:29:28
i don't know how that comes
0:29:31
i'll tell you this story i think
0:29:33
yeah yeah so you go for it yeah so i
0:29:37
think someone from they got my resume
0:29:41
out of indeed or see i don't know like
0:29:43
um so they called me like randomly at 4
0:29:46
30 and they're like oh yeah are you
0:29:48
looking for work in like dev yeah sure
0:29:50
um so i told him like i can't work full
0:29:53
time because of my visa restrictions
0:29:57
that guy just told me like oh yeah
0:29:58
whenever you can work full-time just
0:30:00
give me a call and tell me that you're
0:30:03
and that just kind of proved the point
0:30:05
that how much impact just putting this
0:30:07
on my resume or like linkedin or just
0:30:17
yeah it's uh it can be very like a very
0:30:21
good like i i guess
0:30:23
that kind of comes down to like how do
0:30:25
you hire junior software developers in
0:30:27
the industry right because um you know
0:30:30
everyone's gonna start from somewhere
0:30:34
everyone wants like uh juniors when it
0:30:36
comes to like the consulting firms and
0:30:38
some of the smaller houses
0:30:40
and um but the thing is like no one
0:30:42
really wants to spend the time teaching
0:30:44
them how to get better
0:30:46
and so like what they do is they
0:30:47
generally go like let's let's have a
0:30:49
look at someone's github like has this
0:30:51
person written blogs oh this person's
0:30:53
done videos on youtube or you know
0:30:55
there's a stream that they've got it
0:30:57
gives you like a lot more legitimacy
0:30:59
than the others that don't have anything
0:31:00
to example and you've gotta you know
0:31:03
trust them um by what they say
0:31:07
that's probably why we have such a
0:31:08
horrible process when it comes to like
0:31:10
hiring software developers as well right
0:31:15
you know like prove to me you can code
0:31:17
do this like two-day project for us or
0:31:19
you know like spend four hours like
0:31:21
building this demo and then you've got
0:31:23
like five or six interviews you've got
0:31:25
to get through as well but that's really
0:31:26
cool karthik like um yeah yeah it
0:31:29
definitely does it should really help
0:31:31
like you enter um the industry like you
0:31:33
know on top of on top of study like once
0:31:37
yeah hopefully it makes things easier
0:31:40
i think the point which i really liked
0:31:44
like for sure like everyone has software
0:31:47
dev in their resume or like not not
0:31:49
trying shadow on anyone has it but like
0:31:52
everyone has a most other people will
0:31:54
have a cs degree when they'll be trying
0:31:57
a junior role at least at my stage but i
0:32:00
think that that's what kind of
0:32:02
makes the person remember you
0:32:04
not not even as in a hiring process just
0:32:07
as a person like that they're going to
0:32:08
remember this oh yeah i watched this
0:32:11
um of this person and i'm pretty sure
0:32:13
that's applicable on the stage of where
0:32:16
you guys are um you and paul are as well
0:32:20
yeah i i hope so uh it hasn't really had
0:32:23
any benefits so far um other than like
0:32:26
um you know like we've always got to
0:32:28
make sure that it's in line with um you
0:32:31
know what we've got going on for work
0:32:33
um because it's a fun thing for both of
0:32:35
us versus you know something that's um
0:32:37
yeah you know really really driven with
0:32:43
you know a meaning more than what me and
0:32:45
paul want maybe yeah yeah and you know
0:32:48
like there's these shows on aws twitch
0:32:50
they're like you know driven by the
0:32:52
evangelists they're driven by like the
0:32:54
marketing team they're like actual
0:32:56
and what we've done is we've just like
0:32:58
worked out a way to go like hey like
0:33:00
that that time streak can we take that
0:33:02
time slot for something
0:33:04
and then and then the manager's like you
0:33:08
what are you doing this time oh i've got
0:33:10
a i've got an hour
0:33:11
like disappear away from right but i
0:33:13
think that's one of the good things
0:33:16
um you know even though we don't have
0:33:18
like a tangible value that we can
0:33:19
measure what we're doing against it it's
0:33:22
kind of like you know they want to keep
0:33:23
us engaged and learning and like for for
0:33:26
at least my manager i think paul's as
0:33:29
like a lot of it comes down to well you
0:33:32
know they're going to be hands-on for an
0:33:33
hour um and you know we need to open the
0:33:36
saw every single week we need multiple
0:33:37
hours of training because there's always
0:33:40
there's like a thousand releases like
0:33:42
coming out every week in aws land um
0:33:45
like way too many services so like part
0:33:47
of the job is just upskilling so i think
0:33:49
they put it in that bucket
0:33:50
um but but i hope maybe one day like it
0:33:53
makes a bit of a wider difference for us
0:33:54
right like i'd really like it if
0:33:59
there's there's nothing happening now
0:34:00
like at like zero but like um if we
0:34:03
ended up having like um more software
0:34:06
you know happening in australia and uh
0:34:08
we could kind of help
0:34:10
you know evangelize those teams and the
0:34:12
products they're building like
0:34:15
there's nothing like that at the moment
0:34:16
so just make sure to put that caveat on
0:34:18
for everyone but like i think that's
0:34:20
where me and paul want to be is like
0:34:22
that that space where it's like maybe we
0:34:24
um you know um the the front
0:34:28
of you know something that hopefully
0:34:30
will eventually happen in australia
0:34:31
because we've got really smart people
0:34:33
here and yeah um it comes back to
0:34:36
another part of the conversation it's
0:34:37
like you know there's hundreds of people
0:34:39
if you go to seattle
0:34:41
uh or you go to san francisco that are
0:34:43
all australian working in tech like
0:34:46
yeah product managers everywhere new
0:34:48
zealanders as well like i'm originally a
0:34:52
so like they'll go to the us just
0:34:54
because they don't find um you know that
0:34:56
that type of job in australia um so i'm
0:34:59
hoping eventually that comes back and
0:35:00
then we can kind of help support it in
0:35:04
and i really like the idea of just
0:35:07
being where no one else is and
0:35:09
starting smalling scaling things up
0:35:12
and i think you guys having a good
0:35:14
enough viewership um no matter how it
0:35:17
came through i think that kind of really
0:35:19
of that how important it is to just be
0:35:22
where no one else has been
0:35:27
and i also thing about the
0:35:31
fact that you guys have actually started
0:35:39
idea into reality and that's actually
0:35:47
viewership and then i'll
0:35:49
learn a lot from you you guys as well
0:35:54
watching and to be honest try my best to
0:36:01
you're kind of as in
0:36:03
how you present the information but
0:36:06
i'm getting this slowly slowly
0:36:09
yeah but um you mentioned that um you
0:36:20
u.s as well so uh and you work for
0:36:24
an amazing company called
0:36:26
aws did you have a chance to go to the
0:36:30
us and just work there and see what it
0:36:35
yeah i've had multiple offers to to
0:36:37
basically go to the us uh
0:36:40
you know my previous place which wasn't
0:36:43
um you know amazon i was i was asked to
0:36:45
go over and um lead the technology teams
0:36:51
like like one of the things is like that
0:36:53
the wife she really likes um she really
0:36:56
likes melbourne she was born here she's
0:36:58
lived a whole life here it'd be hard for
0:37:00
her to make that particular move
0:37:02
um you know from my point of view as
0:37:04
well like you know i really like
0:37:05
australia i really like new zealand my
0:37:08
family's here as well
0:37:09
and so each time that opportunity's come
0:37:12
up i've i've knocked it back right which
0:37:14
i don't know if that's a good thing or a
0:37:16
bad thing i think paul was able to take
0:37:18
it up for some years
0:37:20
but for me like yeah i've i've kind of
0:37:23
uh tried to knock it back each time like
0:37:27
just because i kind of evaluate things
0:37:28
and i'm like you know be it would be
0:37:30
really cool if we could start something
0:37:31
here it would be really cool if we had a
0:37:32
big product team here why can't we have
0:37:35
something here right like why why do we
0:37:37
need um you know everything to sit in
0:37:40
you know only a handful of countries
0:37:45
i think we have a question from gective
0:37:54
very very likely i'd say uh even if i
0:37:57
don't fully realize it um
0:38:00
yeah i i guess i i guess i
0:38:03
yeah uh maybe i do
0:38:07
trying to trying to work out how to
0:38:10
can probably be your cabin that you made
0:38:15
yeah made by myself but i had a couple
0:38:17
of people come and um you know
0:38:20
like through the side gate they built
0:38:22
this and i just watched from the inside
0:38:24
and would call me because of the time
0:38:26
and they'd be like hey can you can you
0:38:28
peer out the window and give us some
0:38:29
advice on this because we weren't
0:38:30
allowed to kind of see each other like
0:38:34
but yeah probably um
0:38:36
i i think i just like to challenge
0:38:38
myself like my last place like i spent
0:38:41
like you know a couple of years um
0:38:43
just in a in a particular role and then
0:38:46
i and then i was like i'm kind of bored
0:38:47
of this like how do i make it fun
0:38:49
and that that's when like
0:38:51
i came up with this idea that actually
0:38:53
changed the entire way the company
0:38:54
worked uh which was really cool
0:38:58
that i had to bring it up to the ceo i
0:39:00
was like this this is my idea
0:39:02
and the ceo goes like you know we're not
0:39:05
called this we're called that and i'm
0:39:07
like yeah but i think this would be
0:39:10
um it was quite funny at the time
0:39:11
actually because because uh
0:39:13
i'll i'll say it hopefully i don't get
0:39:15
into trouble about it but it was like
0:39:16
we're called live person not dead person
0:39:18
like why would we want chat bots in
0:39:20
these scenes and so
0:39:22
um you know i found that quite funny and
0:39:24
uh yeah but he turned around and like he
0:39:26
was like yeah let's try this idea but
0:39:28
that was because i built a prototype
0:39:30
when i was on a plane trip
0:39:32
and i showed him a prototype and then i
0:39:34
built it out for another couple of weeks
0:39:36
and um and i said this this is really
0:39:39
cool because you know
0:39:42
chat company a lot of people in contact
0:39:44
center they're really overwhelmed with
0:39:46
all the conversations they're never
0:39:47
spending any money like it's it's
0:39:49
expensive to bring more people in and so
0:39:51
i was like why can't we just try and get
0:39:52
rid of all the first level
0:39:54
questions that are really like
0:39:55
mind-numbing for the people in the
0:39:56
contact center like they hear 50 times a
0:39:59
day and then you know if someone shows
0:40:01
negative sentiments or they show
0:40:04
you know towards like the chatbot or the
0:40:06
conversation where it's heading or um or
0:40:10
you know it just it looks like the
0:40:12
chatbot can't answer at all then um
0:40:14
let's just pass it over to the live
0:40:15
agents and so like this thing should be
0:40:18
fairly natural in a conversation
0:40:20
yeah and yeah it ended up working and
0:40:22
then we ended up working with all the
0:40:23
tech companies uh to bring in their
0:40:25
chatbots it was really cool experience
0:40:27
yeah like uh i i tend to i tend to
0:40:30
i tend to always get myself into trouble
0:40:32
when i get bored and something happens
0:40:36
and that's pretty good is it something
0:40:38
like aws lex are we talking
0:40:41
yes i i used to work with the lex team
0:40:43
in the uh and the google dialog flow and
0:40:46
um the free products that microsoft had
0:40:49
and i worked with like ibm watson um so
0:40:53
yeah like we tied all of their platforms
0:40:55
together um and we basically made a
0:40:57
conversation builder on top so that we
0:40:59
could kind of give it to contact center
0:41:01
agents and they could like craft up all
0:41:02
the really common recurring
0:41:04
conversations we had this really good
0:41:06
like smart guy from nike actually as
0:41:10
came in and he worked on like a ton of
0:41:11
the machine learning on that side as
0:41:14
um we could kind of like recognize what
0:41:16
was happening in conversations and
0:41:18
suggest like particular things that
0:41:21
looked repetitive for agents to kind of
0:41:22
craft up and and then train the nlu
0:41:26
yeah so we also gave like another
0:41:30
you'd go from like contact center agent
0:41:32
to contact center manager but we created
0:41:34
a new role in that segment which was
0:41:36
like a you know a contact center chatbot
0:41:39
designer and so like people that were
0:41:41
really good at their job
0:41:43
in the contact center would move from
0:41:45
voice to chat because it was easier they
0:41:47
could do more conversations but it was
0:41:49
it was less like um
0:41:51
emotionally demanding on them because
0:41:52
they didn't have people screaming at
0:41:55
and then and then like you know they'd
0:41:56
get comfortable like talking to
0:41:58
consumers um over chat and then
0:42:01
you know they would be like a walking
0:42:02
knowledge base of everything with that
0:42:04
company so it's like
0:42:05
why don't you use that experience to to
0:42:08
chat bots to answer the stuff here
0:42:11
for your other colleagues and
0:42:13
it never actually took away jobs or
0:42:14
anything like that that was what
0:42:15
everyone was saying all the time but
0:42:17
what happened was like the harder
0:42:19
conversations ended up being a better
0:42:21
experience for customers because the
0:42:22
agents could spend more time
0:42:24
trying to solve like very complicated
0:42:27
like billing issues for end users etc
0:42:32
right yeah i get your point that i think
0:42:34
it's about like making the job easier
0:42:36
rather than taking over anyway
0:42:38
and yeah i think that's what you guys
0:42:43
but um coming back to your i know
0:42:46
there's a very very interesting story on
0:42:48
how you actually ended up building it
0:42:50
and i know there were a lot of delays
0:42:54
so tell us a little about the whole
0:42:57
it's just how did you guys manage to
0:43:00
um yeah so we we did it all within the
0:43:06
but the rules were very nice
0:43:09
like i i did i did get it stuck in
0:43:11
sydney for ten weeks like i was waiting
0:43:15
um i was gonna use my my um sister's
0:43:18
husband to help with the building of it
0:43:21
i ended up like managing to find
0:43:23
builders that had a permit that could
0:43:25
come here for three or four days to
0:43:27
uh the electrician was a local he had
0:43:29
done my parents house because they just
0:43:31
recently moved to the area as well
0:43:34
and um because it was all outdoors uh
0:43:37
you know and and over a period of like
0:43:40
three or four days
0:43:41
um you know each of them could get
0:43:43
coverage to be able to come in and
0:43:45
including the painter so a lot of the
0:43:47
difficulty was around like
0:43:49
you can't have people come to four
0:43:51
different places within one week and so
0:43:53
a lot of the a lot of the builders a lot
0:43:55
of the electricians were looking for
0:43:56
jobs that um you know would be three or
0:43:58
four days with work which uh it's not
0:44:01
very nice to my pocket but
0:44:03
um but it meant that i could actually
0:44:05
get it built um you know like within a
0:44:07
reasonable time outs outside of waiting
0:44:09
the initial 10 weeks like no one knew
0:44:11
like i hadn't told paul that i was going
0:44:13
to build a cabin he probably got a
0:44:14
little bit jealous um when he goes like
0:44:16
i've just got a shed and i'm like
0:44:19
i'm getting a cabin and so now now um at
0:44:22
some point i'm guessing because he keeps
0:44:24
hinting towards it he's going to end up
0:44:25
in a bigger log cabin and he's going to
0:44:27
be like oh there we go
0:44:29
and then i'll have to report if that
0:44:32
not that we're competitive
0:44:37
nah that's good that's good i i think
0:44:39
you sent me some pictures of the cabin
0:44:41
and i really like the whole
0:44:43
like kind of like a brownish color
0:44:44
scheme which you have that going there
0:44:47
yeah yeah uh the the natural wood looks
0:44:51
i've got to do something more with like
0:44:53
this side um i've got some i've got lego
0:44:55
pirates that will build that side up
0:44:58
my mum like is trying to make me get a
0:45:00
fish tank off of her she she's like a
0:45:02
billion fish and so she's like put a
0:45:04
fish tank there and i'm like i don't
0:45:07
um so i've got to work out what to put
0:45:11
um yeah but a bit at the moment it's
0:45:12
nice and cozy it worked out really well
0:45:14
i'm really happy that i ended up getting
0:45:16
it um it's air conditioned it's
0:45:20
like it'll be a really nice space in the
0:45:22
summer um i'll probably camp out here in
0:45:24
very hot evenings we've got bean bags
0:45:26
yeah this monitor that i've got it's
0:45:28
like pretty nice and so like you know we
0:45:30
can sit in the bean bags and maybe watch
0:45:32
like netflix or you know yeah
0:45:34
prime or whatever it is that we're we're
0:45:37
currently watching even though i've run
0:45:38
out of tv shows in the last two years
0:45:42
i think let's stick to prime beer on
0:45:46
definitely prime right like um
0:45:48
but disney plus actually had a really
0:45:50
good show i liked uh murders in the
0:45:52
building so i just finished the last
0:45:54
episode came out like two or three days
0:45:56
yeah and and netflix i've gotta do squid
0:46:03
highly recommend squid games um for sure
0:46:07
what is that i'm maybe living in the
0:46:10
stone ages but i don't even know what
0:46:16
i mean it's it's obviously squids right
0:46:20
of course yeah of course of course and
0:46:22
then there's there's probably games to
0:46:24
go alongside of it i haven't watched it
0:46:26
either like but oh okay cool but it's uh
0:46:29
it's a south korean show if i remember
0:46:31
correctly and it's right it's kind of
0:46:33
controversial i think people get a like
0:46:36
a way to make a life better for
0:46:37
themselves somehow is that my sister
0:46:40
but they have to go through a whole
0:46:41
bunch of like forced
0:46:43
gladiator style games where people like
0:46:45
die in horrible ways yeah but they all
0:46:47
play like children it's like children's
0:46:49
gladiator games like um
0:46:51
you know like uh red light green light
0:46:55
i want someone to clip this please
0:46:58
if you can change this conversation
0:47:03
that's a very funny one
0:47:07
yeah i think i would be with
0:47:09
p3 has a question for you matt how do
0:47:12
you come up with stream ideas for devs
0:47:17
yeah good question um
0:47:19
but we we try and ask the audience but
0:47:21
the the audience uh usually just enjoy
0:47:24
watching us it seems um
0:47:27
so like the pressure's on us to come up
0:47:29
with ideas um we we know like some of
0:47:31
the new things that are coming um so
0:47:33
when we get excited about a particular
0:47:35
thing we'll go and find an expert
0:47:37
um that's that's interested in talking
0:47:39
about it we've also got like a a bunch
0:47:41
of friends in aws like um
0:47:44
aaron joins our streams like uh quite a
0:47:46
number of times he's actually only a few
0:47:48
streets away from me so we catch up and
0:47:50
have coffees um but we're also on the
0:47:53
the mobile and front-end team um you
0:47:56
know together as our one day a week
0:47:58
project in amazon so
0:48:01
so like he's always up to come on um
0:48:04
there's you know a bunch of people that
0:48:06
we've met um in different places that
0:48:08
that have cool things going on that we
0:48:10
just invite onto the show and then on in
0:48:12
the odd weeks where we don't have a
0:48:13
presenter we haven't been able to find
0:48:15
someone or coax a friend into coming on
0:48:18
um usually like we we have a project
0:48:20
that we've helped work with a customer
0:48:22
on and then what we try and do is we we
0:48:24
generalize and repurpose that
0:48:26
um sometimes that doesn't work out quite
0:48:29
too well either like because uh you know
0:48:32
there'll be no hands-on elements
0:48:35
and so we've had one or two of those
0:48:36
like i wasn't too much of a fan of the
0:48:38
step functions episode
0:48:39
because i felt like
0:48:41
you know i hadn't really played around
0:48:42
with step functions surprisingly myself
0:48:44
that much um yeah and you know that was
0:48:47
that was completely new so what we've
0:48:49
tried to do is like whenever we always
0:48:52
plan like four weeks out now and the
0:48:54
idea is like if there is something that
0:48:55
like we want to play with like i wanted
0:48:57
to play with step functions but i hadn't
0:48:58
had time to work on it because we've got
0:49:00
all the customer stuff on at the same
0:49:02
you know side projects um like now we
0:49:05
make the time to absolutely do that like
0:49:08
the one that we've got planned for this
0:49:09
week didn't work out to be honest
0:49:14
like hopefully paul doesn't tell me off
0:49:18
we were looking at aws green grass and
0:49:20
we're like let's let's do an episode on
0:49:22
aws uh green grass
0:49:24
and it just did not work like me like
0:49:26
paul paul dialed me and i got on it and
0:49:29
we were like trying to work out what was
0:49:32
and like greengrass was just not
0:49:34
behaving it was giving errors it wasn't
0:49:36
picking up the the version of the app
0:49:38
that we were trying to deploy
0:49:41
and so like we we just called it we're
0:49:43
like no this is too close to episode so
0:49:44
what we did was we
0:49:46
we um we dubbed in someone that wrote a
0:49:48
really nice blog we found him online i
0:49:50
worked out that he lived in perth i
0:49:51
worked out that he knew
0:49:53
a friend uh in perth and i was like hey
0:49:56
buddy come on the show um so he's coming
0:49:59
on a few weeks but that left a gap for
0:50:02
this week right so so this week's either
0:50:05
building ios apps on mac os
0:50:08
ec2 or through the command line um
0:50:11
or the the other thing is there's a talk
0:50:13
that we've got uh coming up to one of
0:50:15
the the big banks in australia
0:50:18
how do we how do we make things more
0:50:20
personalized for consumers so this this
0:50:22
was an idea that i had
0:50:25
and so we were going to use like
0:50:26
personalize instead of for
0:50:27
recommendations we were going to look at
0:50:29
it as a platform to shape
0:50:31
the home screen for end users to have
0:50:33
the products that they had as customers
0:50:36
but also have um you know the the help
0:50:38
and different sections that other
0:50:40
customers that are quite similar to them
0:50:42
have and the idea is
0:50:44
like our elderly should be able to find
0:50:46
things hopefully easier
0:50:49
they don't have to dig around the
0:50:50
website which might be like you know
0:50:52
eight pages in in an faq like hopefully
0:50:55
we can surface the information they want
0:50:58
with this method so
0:51:00
if i pull that off by tomorrow if i pull
0:51:02
that off by tomorrow that will be the
0:51:04
conversation if i don't you'll see that
0:51:06
the following week and then this week
0:51:07
will be the mac os ec2 build server ios
0:51:16
nice if you have actually a lot going on
0:51:20
i can tell as side projects and the work
0:51:26
again personal side projects and then
0:51:28
your stream as well how do you as in
0:51:37
things and some tips
0:51:40
my time management
0:51:43
is not great at all
0:51:48
i i have legally the worst time
0:51:50
management someone could possibly have
0:51:52
like i am the biggest procrastinator of
0:51:54
them all but like what i do is i
0:51:59
when things come right up to the
0:52:01
i really like get into gear
0:52:05
but what i've been trying to do is i i
0:52:08
try and like force myself to have
0:52:10
deadlines prior nowadays and i have
0:52:13
i have a reminders app set up on the
0:52:16
and so i basically just like go like
0:52:18
these are the things that i've got going
0:52:20
and i try and make sure that it's only
0:52:22
four things and i try and make sure that
0:52:23
i can connect the four things to
0:52:25
multiple things that i have to deliver
0:52:27
so you know like let's let's look at the
0:52:29
personalized thing right so it's like
0:52:30
we're going to build something
0:52:31
personalized i've got a customer that's
0:52:33
got like a bunch of problems um with
0:52:34
python at the moment like the building a
0:52:36
python web app and
0:52:38
they're having problems with their
0:52:39
queuing um at the moment
0:52:43
let's build the personalized thing in
0:52:46
python using the framework that they've
0:52:48
got then i can better help them um
0:52:50
you know so i kind of kill like you know
0:52:52
one and a half birds with maybe the one
0:52:56
all right you know like it doesn't
0:52:57
exactly overlap but there's enough
0:52:59
similarities that like doing doing the
0:53:01
the personalized work
0:53:03
will help them um when it comes to
0:53:06
troubleshooting that issue that they had
0:53:08
and actually secondarily they've also
0:53:10
got like a a personalization piece as
0:53:12
well that they're thinking of
0:53:15
working through so like that other side
0:53:17
might become very handy for them as well
0:53:19
so if you can connect multiple things
0:53:21
it's really good and yeah um and then
0:53:24
try and make make them work together and
0:53:25
then the other thing is just like having
0:53:28
having that list of tasks and making
0:53:30
sure that like you've only got four
0:53:32
major things on that that list of tasks
0:53:34
um that way you don't feel like
0:53:36
overburdened because i like if i if i
0:53:38
feel overwhelmed i
0:53:40
will not um be very yet working as well
0:53:42
right because i'm just like i just need
0:53:44
a breather yeah yeah yeah true that's
0:53:49
story that's really mm-hmm
0:53:52
gary has something to
0:53:54
say i'll have my mom call you matt
0:53:58
she always needs help with computers
0:54:02
i think that's every parent except for
0:54:04
my parents unfortunately
0:54:06
yeah i did pretty good at it
0:54:09
that dad was a programmer so
0:54:12
but but he never taught me anything like
0:54:14
i i never saw anything that he used to
0:54:18
and then you know by the time that i was
0:54:20
young enough to understand what a
0:54:21
computer was like he was
0:54:23
he was kind of an i.t but had moved away
0:54:25
from the programming realm
0:54:26
okay so all right um
0:54:28
so i don't have to help him too much
0:54:31
or mum fortunately
0:54:33
and and my grandma as well like she she
0:54:35
has her ipad set up um she's got a
0:54:40
over in new zealand she can print stuff
0:54:43
um pays her bills all online um
0:54:50
yeah but but like then you look at my
0:54:51
wife's side i spend a lot more time
0:55:00
so when are you inviting us to your shed
0:55:02
that's the main question behind yeah
0:55:07
well sometimes sometime soon you guys
0:55:09
can come around and check it out um
0:55:14
like just behind me here right if i get
0:55:16
my hand wrong yeah i can see that that's
0:55:18
that's actually a desk that like um
0:55:21
pulls down right so i've got space oh
0:55:26
yeah that's actually got my nice uh m1
0:55:30
um yeah so like i have my work pc here
0:55:33
sometimes and then i'll be doing
0:55:35
personal stuff over on the other side
0:55:39
that's pretty good
0:55:41
um yeah so he says we need to join
0:55:46
you need to join us oh i didn't get that
0:55:48
you need a shirt to join the show
0:55:51
we're just gonna render yeah we tried
0:55:53
making that a prerequisite and then we
0:55:54
got told we're a little bit unreasonable
0:55:58
um you can come on the show if you're an
0:56:00
apartment um as long as you
0:56:02
try to buy a flammable t-shirt and where
0:56:05
uh during the stream that's been our
0:56:07
like thing to try and convince everyone
0:56:08
to do but no one's done it yet
0:56:11
right yeah i think it'll be pretty hard
0:56:13
everyone who has a shed yeah we've
0:56:16
actually got somebody with a tree house
0:56:19
in like december maybe
0:56:21
we're waiting on something in particular
0:56:23
and if uh if all goes well
0:56:26
we'll have uh we'll have someone join
0:56:28
from the treehouse which would be cool
0:56:30
yeah damn okay but i didn't think of
0:56:33
maybe i can extend something off my
0:56:48
enough for me to fall off and die so i
0:56:55
one of our um it was who
0:56:58
is requesting as a bit of a stretch they
0:57:02
wants to get kevin taller now
0:57:05
uh my camera is pretty
0:57:07
sturdy on the arm but what i can do is
0:57:12
you're really keen on it maybe you can
0:57:13
join from your phone
0:57:15
yeah that's the other option yeah
0:57:17
but you're not going to see anything
0:57:18
outside and it's quite small still so
0:57:21
what i'll do is maybe what i'll do is
0:57:22
i'll go into iphotos
0:57:26
and i will or photos now because it's
0:57:29
not coming up in search
0:57:35
i will avoid all the cat photos
0:57:39
which there's a lot
0:57:41
okay yeah move in there there we go here
0:57:43
we go i found the non-cat photos
0:57:51
the live should be able to add it now
0:57:53
yep adding this this is actually kind of
0:57:55
interesting anyway right like this is
0:57:57
kind of the journey of it
0:57:58
and and there we go you still get to see
0:58:00
some of the cat photos
0:58:04
so it kind of starts here right so
0:58:06
oh wow this is all the equipment that
0:58:09
arrived and it was it was sitting in my
0:58:11
carport for like uh literally a week you
0:58:14
can see the the top hole in the
0:58:15
background like i had it wrapped in top
0:58:17
because it was just raining um forever
0:58:22
uh just kept it all nice there had the
0:58:25
birds check it out
0:58:27
more birds okay security camera this was
0:58:29
actually the space so this was us
0:58:31
planning like where are we going right
0:58:33
like so we've got a very big front yard
0:58:35
like all of our properties mostly in the
0:58:36
front yard but the backyard's nice and
0:58:39
small and i have my garden shed over the
0:58:41
side i've got a cat run on that side
0:58:44
so i've got a bunch of stuff there
0:58:46
but what we wanted to do was we wanted
0:58:48
to put it in the space because then like
0:58:53
um the kitchen and the lounge room will
0:58:55
basically open up directly outside of it
0:58:58
and so we can walk through the patio
0:59:00
so we built it there
0:59:07
there's our pixel game i did all the art
0:59:09
for that which is fun
0:59:13
this is the pie game contest we
0:59:15
basically had 24 hours or whatever
0:59:18
to make a game and so aaron paul and
0:59:21
went ahead and made it i did all the art
0:59:23
aaron did most of the programming um
0:59:25
paul jumped in and did a few things as
0:59:28
um homemade pizza yeah so this this is
0:59:31
uh this is how like this is the progress
0:59:34
um they put down the space it only took
0:59:36
them like two or three hours to put the
0:59:37
base and they use quick set concrete
0:59:40
um so they started on that and um
0:59:44
yeah so they put the door frame in
0:59:46
that each of the pieces interlock with
0:59:48
each other and they're about three
0:59:50
centimeters thick so the wood's really
0:59:52
really thick which is why it self
0:59:55
um then they got it up to this uh height
0:59:57
stage and they put in like this little
1:00:00
walkway down onto the patio it's all
1:00:02
muddy as you can see
1:00:04
um they put the window in which is
1:00:06
really nice that opens out um and so i
1:00:08
can have some nice air come into the
1:00:10
place during the work days
1:00:13
yeah yeah and you can see the the back
1:00:15
of the house there and the garden shed
1:00:17
over in that corner and a bit of the cat
1:00:20
so they're just assembling it all
1:00:23
i've got my little tomato garden here so
1:00:25
that's that netting
1:00:27
and the cat's just lazing around
1:00:30
they're usually at the back window but
1:00:31
they're at the front window because the
1:00:35
the cats weren't too scared
1:00:37
uh because they're our babies we don't
1:00:39
have children right
1:00:40
and then like if you look at this piece
1:00:42
here like they were laying the the
1:00:44
tiling which was this like it's almost
1:00:48
type uh pre-packaged tiling and it
1:00:50
weighs a ton though because i tried
1:00:52
picking them up no they're quite heavy
1:00:54
um surprisingly heavy they put in these
1:00:56
french doors we were going to paint the
1:00:58
whole thing white originally as well um
1:01:02
we we kind of changed that last minute
1:01:04
because i liked the wood so much
1:01:07
yeah that was a good decision though
1:01:12
so like then we took a shot inside when
1:01:13
there was nothing in it um the floor was
1:01:16
all wood as well the same wood as the
1:01:17
the ceiling and the
1:01:20
so we couldn't actually get wood in
1:01:22
australia the wooden australia ran out
1:01:24
so they had to get like wood from europe
1:01:26
like i think it was nordic spruce or
1:01:28
something like that and i'm like
1:01:29
australia has a wood shortage this is a
1:01:38
cats there we go and so then then i had
1:01:41
the electricians come in right so they
1:01:42
put lights on the top and then i got the
1:01:44
air conditioning installed and i got
1:01:46
power points on each uh wall i ran cat6
1:01:49
in from inside as well
1:01:51
so i reckon i reckon the the the work
1:01:54
with electricity probably costs the same
1:01:59
like it's ridiculous how much it costs
1:02:01
like electricians to trench um
1:02:03
you know like it was about three meters
1:02:05
away from the house
1:02:06
um so yeah that was that was kind of
1:02:08
what it looks like then we had the
1:02:10
painter come in um the painter was
1:02:12
allowed to work outdoors as well and you
1:02:14
can see all the rubbish that they'd left
1:02:15
that i had to clean up later
1:02:17
but like we ended up going with like uh
1:02:19
monument monument gray which is the same
1:02:22
color as what we've made the retainer
1:02:23
walls at the front garden okay
1:02:26
all right right yeah so that was kind of
1:02:28
like a little bit of consistency and
1:02:29
then he kind of stained so you can see
1:02:32
the difference in the woods only
1:02:33
slightly darker but it's it's got a nice
1:02:37
and so this is kind of that finished
1:02:40
and you can see a little bit of
1:02:41
insulation hanging down from the bottom
1:02:44
got insulation and then like i did this
1:02:45
little excited geek video like um some
1:02:48
mom and dad say like i've got a working
1:02:50
from home cabin this is exciting now
1:02:54
vacuums came one for indoors and one for
1:02:56
the cabin i started the setup so this is
1:03:02
this is a this is like a really nice
1:03:03
dowel monitor um yeah but it also is a
1:03:06
hub so it's got a whole bunch of usb
1:03:08
ports it charges 100 watts into the
1:03:11
laptop by usbc so i don't need a
1:03:14
separate charger for the big 16 inch
1:03:18
i've got like a little scarlet box for
1:03:20
audio so that my headphones are plugged
1:03:22
into that now but the microphone goes
1:03:24
through that i've got a little elgato
1:03:26
light but then i rely on the natural
1:03:28
light coming in from both windows as
1:03:31
but i could put a second one if i wanted
1:03:33
to but i just haven't bothered the wife
1:03:35
uses a space for her singing so she
1:03:37
actually streams uh on the weekends
1:03:38
tomorrow she'll be streaming on twitch
1:03:44
so she puts her big alienware laptop
1:03:46
you know in the spot here and then she
1:03:49
can plug a keyboard and she can record
1:03:51
sound which is really cool
1:03:54
um the ikea furniture um came in pieces
1:03:58
so i could build bits of it and then i
1:04:00
had to wait for the rest yeah
1:04:03
and all the rubbish from the house like
1:04:05
literally fat exactly into the right
1:04:08
size thing wow look at that like i i was
1:04:11
almost in trouble and they would have
1:04:12
like they would have come and give me
1:04:14
grief but if it overflowed
1:04:18
that's the cat this is the carpet that
1:04:20
we got in the cabin it's like a nice
1:04:23
um yeah blankets so the cat can sit
1:04:25
there comfortably it's all about the cat
1:04:30
yeah then we've got the two other cats
1:04:33
out in the cat cage and
1:04:35
this is what they do like when i'm
1:04:36
working and i don't let them in the
1:04:38
cabin it's like they stare at me from
1:04:42
all in characters those moved into the
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um lots of wine here we go this is what
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i was looking for oh so that's kind of
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like the final setup
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that is really cool to be honest
1:04:54
um yeah you know um my brother has that
1:04:58
kind of a um desk where you press the
1:05:01
button and it comes up and
1:05:06
that's really handy
1:05:08
yeah yeah so i can i can have a standing
1:05:10
desk sometimes yeah yeah um and this is
1:05:13
kind of like how the other side of the
1:05:14
room happened right so i've got like
1:05:17
you know like all my like big stuff the
1:05:19
imac yeah we see the background
1:05:22
yes all that stuff and i've got i've got
1:05:24
a ferris wheel out of lego in the
1:05:26
background if you look today like we
1:05:27
just finished building that this is how
1:05:29
the desk slides out so
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um yeah because it's taking photos for
1:05:34
everyone because no one could actually
1:05:35
check it out right like none of my
1:05:36
family are they're excited to see space
1:05:38
and i had to show them what the the
1:05:40
stream setup would look like
1:05:43
and yeah then it just goes on to another
1:05:45
100 photos of cats
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that's pretty amazing though um yeah
1:05:57
very very very interesting and i think
1:05:59
it just kind of proves the whole point
1:06:01
that how passionate you guys are um like
1:06:04
like everyone could just have like a
1:06:06
nine to five but i think it's getting
1:06:08
out of your way and just doing something
1:06:10
which you really like
1:06:12
and as you said there's no actual reward
1:06:15
involved in it yeah right yeah for you
1:06:16
guys at least so that that's really
1:06:19
commendable uh for sure and i appreciate
1:06:23
yeah no um it's uh yeah it's it's been
1:06:27
i mean it helps the show right but like
1:06:29
halfway was just i plan to work from
1:06:31
home like more often right
1:06:34
so it was kind of getting set up for
1:06:35
that and it means that um you know we've
1:06:37
got more space there's only a two
1:06:39
bedroom place that i'm in it's nothing
1:06:42
so adding a third bedroom was gonna cost
1:06:45
like you know a hundred thousand two
1:06:47
hundred thousand dollars to the front of
1:06:48
the house but it would have changed the
1:06:50
character of the house
1:06:53
putting this in the backyard was just um
1:06:55
i think it was a pretty good decision um
1:06:58
and yeah like uh it gives us this uh
1:07:02
space from each other as well like um
1:07:04
not that it's really needed
1:07:06
yeah if she wants to sing like it means
1:07:07
that i can have my work calls
1:07:09
um you know if i i can be really loud um
1:07:12
i get told i've got a booming voice
1:07:14
supposedly people tell me off all the
1:07:15
time so i can come in here i can have my
1:07:18
phone calls and she can just like you
1:07:19
know like hang out in the house and not
1:07:21
get too distracted as well
1:07:23
yeah for sure yeah i understand i i
1:07:26
think it happened in a pretty good
1:07:27
timing as well when you and paul just
1:07:29
came together and decided to do this
1:07:38
we can keep going on talk for like
1:07:42
but i think uh each weekend for you and
1:07:47
you shouldn't hang you on for long
1:07:49
i think that's okay i've got my uh like
1:07:53
sneakily in the background um
1:08:02
i've got some nice ice cream arriving as
1:08:04
well like because we're gonna continue
1:08:06
borderlands and we've decided we're
1:08:08
gonna finish the game in the next two
1:08:09
hours and so nice like ice cream
1:08:12
hopefully keep us up but uh not help my
1:08:19
you do have a different time for a five
1:08:21
push-up store that's the stuff uh we can
1:08:23
but it's gonna be hard to see me so like
1:08:26
what i'll do is i'll just shout out
1:08:30
remember it works like everyone trusts
1:08:36
you all trust you yeah are we gonna do
1:08:42
yep can someone clip this please thank
1:08:48
i probably need the push-ups anyway
1:09:05
we'll be at countdown from five yeah
1:09:14
did i do mine too fast
1:09:39
thanks matt thanks for joining us um i
1:09:41
think it was pretty fun talking to you
1:09:43
and uh we're gonna have one in the show
1:09:45
for sure again um but i think it was a
1:09:48
pretty special occasion and i think
1:09:51
both owed you a pretty big thank you
1:09:54
for just getting us all in place and uh
1:09:57
i think it's a pretty major milestone
1:09:58
and um thanks to paul as well for sure
1:10:02
yeah i think could be pulled
1:10:04
this this hundred episode is probably
1:10:06
the byproduct of your guys efforts for
1:10:10
uh we're not gonna take your credit
1:10:11
right like you guys have done 100
1:10:14
so it's all on you and like um
1:10:15
persistence right at the end of the day
1:10:18
it's pretty amazing that you've managed
1:10:19
to get together a hundred times uh
1:10:23
you know everything being so
1:10:25
all over the place this year it feels
1:10:28
so you guys have done really well and uh
1:10:30
yeah you've got to pat yourselves on the
1:10:32
back and and you've kept to it you've
1:10:34
done such a fantastic job and
1:10:36
hopefully zane your line arrives yeah
1:10:41
looking forward to the car
1:10:42
has but for some reason um zane's one's
1:10:45
a little bit delayed
1:10:49
great work and i'm sure you'll continue
1:10:51
building your audience and uh yeah i'll
1:10:53
come back um next time that you want me
1:10:57
yeah thanks for that do you have
1:11:05
say as in how impressive for your
1:11:08
stories your journey from
1:11:11
building the shed and also most
1:11:15
the being an inspiration for
1:11:18
us for continuing this
1:11:22
stream as in every six days
1:11:26
thank you for as in all your support and
1:11:29
also most importantly taking the time
1:11:33
uh as in taking your family time i would
1:11:39
attend this um i really hope your
1:11:46
me and kartik at the moment
1:11:52
no drama or pressure saying but uh it's
1:11:54
more it's more my side being a pleasure
1:12:01
thanks michaels um
1:12:03
sure we will look forward to having you
1:12:07
thanks to all the viewers who tuned in
1:12:13
there having you on the journey
1:12:15
with us and it's it's just
1:12:18
all of your guys support earning
1:12:21
encouragement that keeps us actually
1:12:29
more code embarrassments funds and
1:12:36
yeah i i can see on matt's face ice
1:12:41
all right yeah yeah
1:12:44
i turned the heating on in here it's
1:12:49
cool so we won't hold you up for too
1:12:51
long but yeah thanks everyone thanks for
1:12:53
joining um yeah yeah
1:12:55
i think the most important part is we'll
1:12:56
come back tomorrow for the 101th episode
1:12:59
so that's what i'm more excited about
1:13:07
thank you and have a great
1:13:09
night all thanks for
1:13:12
joining once again cheers
